Anonymous
02/15/2023 09:30
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.
I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.
My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.
You're equating an inanimate object with people. WTH is the matter with you?
Anonymous
02/15/2023 09:24
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame the guy who did it who had a lenghty rap sheet and was illegally in possession of a firearm
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/msu-suspect-gunman-anthony-dwayne-mcrae/index.html
He wasn't prohibited from having a firearm after probation ended. His previous possession, which wasn't a felony and put him on probation, was illegal. I haven't seen anything to say whether this was a legal possession or not. Doesn't matter. A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. Ask the people who were shot whether they cared if he filed paperwork for that gun or not. Oh wait, you can't. They're either dead or fighting for the life in a hospital.
He had a felony charge against him, but the progressive DA let him plea to a lower misdemeanor.
Maybe we should start taking crime seriously and prosecuting those who are in illegal possession of a firearm.
Admit that you just don’t like that people have rights in a criminal trial and you find law too complex and slow to understand. You wish we just chopped off the hands of suspected thieves.
Of course people have rights. But, there are some people who should not own firearms and this guy is clearly one of them.
Had he been convicted of a felony, he would not have been able to legally own a firearm. His own father said he wanted to take his guns away........
The left seems to love to talk about more gun laws, but we are not enforcing those already in place.
What is your defense of the recent 5th circuit ruling allowing those under a restraining order to possess a gun?
Years ago, I had a restraining order on an ex-boyfriend in college, after finally managing to escape an abusive relationship. He was crazy, but he covered it VERY well. He had a 9mm. Even with the restraining order, I was terrified for months until he finally left the area.
My NRA-loving dad of course agrees with me that the ex-boyfriend was a huge threat to me...yet he can't seem to understand how others may be in similar situations because, according to him, people get restraining orders all the time for "no valid reason", and heaven forbid we interfere with "responsible gun owners" over a silly, non-legit restraining order.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 07:08
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame the guy who did it who had a lenghty rap sheet and was illegally in possession of a firearm
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/msu-suspect-gunman-anthony-dwayne-mcrae/index.html
He wasn't prohibited from having a firearm after probation ended. His previous possession, which wasn't a felony and put him on probation, was illegal. I haven't seen anything to say whether this was a legal possession or not. Doesn't matter. A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. Ask the people who were shot whether they cared if he filed paperwork for that gun or not. Oh wait, you can't. They're either dead or fighting for the life in a hospital.
He had a felony charge against him, but the progressive DA let him plea to a lower misdemeanor.
Maybe we should start taking crime seriously and prosecuting those who are in illegal possession of a firearm.
Admit that you just don’t like that people have rights in a criminal trial and you find law too complex and slow to understand. You wish we just chopped off the hands of suspected thieves.
Of course people have rights. But, there are some people who should not own firearms and this guy is clearly one of them.
Had he been convicted of a felony, he would not have been able to legally own a firearm. His own father said he wanted to take his guns away........
The left seems to love to talk about more gun laws, but we are not enforcing those already in place.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 07:07
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame the guy who did it who had a lenghty rap sheet and was illegally in possession of a firearm
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/msu-suspect-gunman-anthony-dwayne-mcrae/index.html
He wasn't prohibited from having a firearm after probation ended. His previous possession, which wasn't a felony and put him on probation, was illegal. I haven't seen anything to say whether this was a legal possession or not. Doesn't matter. A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. Ask the people who were shot whether they cared if he filed paperwork for that gun or not. Oh wait, you can't. They're either dead or fighting for the life in a hospital.
He had a felony charge against him, but the progressive DA let him plea to a lower misdemeanor.
Maybe we should start taking crime seriously and prosecuting those who are in illegal possession of a firearm.
Every prosecutor, progressive or not, takes pleas to avoid trials.
So they own it.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 07:04
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
omg. this just got to me. how heartbreaking. I can't imagine how she and her parents/family are feeling.
I never thought I'd want to have my daughter be homeschooled, and ask the shoppers at Buffalo grocery store how that isn't relevant, but my God - it is just a helpless and hopeless situation we are in in America. what the actual f*ck?
I was followed twice in my car, by men with clear intention to harm. I don’t want men or cars banned.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 06:59
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame them but there's so many dynamics at work and it's the American culture. The gun lobby would not have legitimacy if it weren't for all the folks who back them. The American culture is one of independence and the me me me only me tradition. We saw it during COVID, we see it demonstrated by how privatized for-profit healthcare is run, we see it in so many ways. It's not a civilized society. Everything about how a country is doing is interconnected be it financial, cultural, etc. The problems we have is all about not caring about each other enough and politically, about too many issues at hand that everyone wants a piece of. It's not just the legislative branch at work - its the fans who support the gun lobby and they in turn pressure the politicians into doing their will. There are also Dems who support them and Republicans who support gun right limits. The thing is - we don't have a culture that supports a healthy society. Frankly, I don't think legislation at this point will actually do much as I think there's just too many guns out there in the wrong hands and too many attitudes that need to be changed but never will be. I think that we have to keep going and let it get to a point where it's so crazy even the people who thought this would be OK isn't. I give it another 5 years or so though.
I agree. We're beyond fixing this illness with laws. Our country is literally flooded with guns. We now have to live with what we created.
My best friend's daughter is at MSU. Was on her to way to meet her roommate at the student union. Her roommate was already there and experienced the whole thing. Both traumatized now. So what did my friend's BIL, her daughter's uncle, do this morning? Post on Facebook on everyone's right to bear arms. After my friend received alert after alert after alert from MSU last night, going through every parent's nightmare. This is where we're wrong. Even when it becomes personal, where your selfishness is apparent and you finally get it, we're still not getting it.
My nephew experienced the trauma of 9/11 first-hand. He does not hate Muslim people and want them banned.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 06:47
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous
02/14/2023 21:18
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
All progress on this is blocked by the GOP. There’s no “us” problem here, there’s a problem in that one party is beholden to the NRA/Russia and for whom violent citizen death is a benefit.
Anonymous
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:52
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shooter is a felon thus not a legal gun owner https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-a-convicted-felon-with-weapons-history/69901983007/
Wait - the mass shooter is Black??
WTF.
Doesn't matter. The shooter in the recent mass shooting in California was Asian. They all have two things in common: they are male and they have access to guns.
Motive is important. For prosecution, and for prevention.
You might be on to something with the male part.
In other countries there are mass stabbings and people attacking people with cars/trucks so not sure the gun factor is really that important.
yet lethality increases with the gun. yes, there are mass stabbings and the weaponizing of cars/trucks, but neither on the scale of the easy access to guns here.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:35
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
This can’t go on. I am so so sorry for the horrific loss of these young people.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 18:21
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shooter is a felon thus not a legal gun owner https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-a-convicted-felon-with-weapons-history/69901983007/
Wait - the mass shooter is Black??
WTF.
Doesn't matter. The shooter in the recent mass shooting in California was Asian. They all have two things in common: they are male and they have access to guns.
Motive is important. For prosecution, and for prevention.
You might be on to something with the male part.
In other countries there are mass stabbings and people attacking people with cars/trucks so not sure the gun factor is really that important.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 17:23
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:s admit you want gun confiscation which means you want the right to privacy suspended as they will need to search every home and without probable cause otherwise only criminals will have gunsAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shooter is a felon thus not a legal gun owner https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-a-convicted-felon-with-weapons-history/69901983007/
Completely irrelevant. EVERY gun starts out legal. Someone buys it, either through the proper channels or not. We have inundated this country with guns, manufacturing them at a rapid pace. It's not that hard to get one illegally or to evade these "felon" restrictions. It's a joke.
DP. Ask the parents in Uvalde just how much good it did for non-criminals to have guns that day.
I used to fall for the “good guy with a gun” BS. Not anymore.
You know damn well that what happened in Uvalde was an anomaly when it comes to how law enforcement responds.
Parkland kids would disagree.
And the Navy Yard. Literally a MILITARY installation (where my friend's parent was killed, btw). SO, no, not an anomaly.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 17:23
Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I blame the following:
Lauren Boebert
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Mitch McConnell
Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
DeSantis
Ah, yes. I am sure that the disgusting shooter was a big fan of theirs.
I blame the guy who did it who had a lenghty rap sheet and was illegally in possession of a firearm
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/msu-suspect-gunman-anthony-dwayne-mcrae/index.html
He wasn't prohibited from having a firearm after probation ended. His previous possession, which wasn't a felony and put him on probation, was illegal. I haven't seen anything to say whether this was a legal possession or not. Doesn't matter. A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. Ask the people who were shot whether they cared if he filed paperwork for that gun or not. Oh wait, you can't. They're either dead or fighting for the life in a hospital.
He had a felony charge against him, but the progressive DA let him plea to a lower misdemeanor.
Maybe we should start taking crime seriously and prosecuting those who are in illegal possession of a firearm.
Every prosecutor, progressive or not, takes pleas to avoid trials.
They have to. They would be completely inundated otherwise.
Same in civil litigation. You cannot litigate everything. You can't.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 17:01
Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Aren't there red flag laws now for people with certain mental health problems? I thought that passed federally this past year?