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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

What I think is that I shared a list of non-white artists who have won AOTY. Stevie Wonder has also won 3 times.

Again, 64th Grammy. Your list includes 11 black artists.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

What I think is that I shared a list of non-white artists who have won AOTY. Stevie Wonder has also won 3 times.

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Anonymous wrote:am i too old to love harry styles? maybe. oh well

he was awesome

It was one of his worst performances, imo. He was nervous, and didn't get to feed off the crowd like he does at his concerts. He's still magnetic though!

Not sure why they had to add the risk of a turntable. Why not allow him to sing like he does at concerts day in and day out.

The performance was subpar because the technician made a mistake at the show and sent the turntable spinning the wrong way. So he and the dancers had to on the spot reverse/mirror the choreography they had practiced with the turntable spinning the other way.

https://www.eonline.com/news/1364128/harry-styles-dancers-address-performance-mishap-at-2023-grammys

He also had in-ear audio issues.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I know one Beyoncé song top to bottom. I could sing along to scores of TS songs on the radio. Unavoidably.

I don’t know any Taylor Swift songs top to bottom. I listen to the radio and hear Beyoncé played. I open IG and tic tok and head Beyoncé played. You’re absolutely lying. Beyoncé is everywhere and I’m not even a true fan.

You’re insisting that I’m lying about how many Beyoncé songs I know vs how many TS songs I could sing along to? You don’t understand how life works.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I don't think so. As someone who isn't a fan of either one of them, I still find myself encountering Taylor Swift's music on a regular basis. I don't find that to be as true with Beyoncé. And I think that's at least partly by design. Swift is essentially aiming to be a pop star. Seems like Beyoncé is aiming for something deeper lately, working in different genres, connecting with history. Wasn't this last album in the dance/electronic category? That's great, but not as many white people listen to that genre as pop.

FIFY

Cute, but that doesn't make your point.

Anonymous wrote:DCUM…the only place where Beyoncé isn’t considered popular or catchy. 🙄 Don’t even have to guess why.

I said Swift was more popular. Which is backed up by RIAA numbers. Swift has sold more than Beyonce by far.

Title Highest Award Certification Date Category Format Genre
FEARLESS 10X Multi-Platinum December 11, 2017 SOLO ALBUM COUNTRY
1989 9X Multi-Platinum December 11, 2017 SOLO ALBUM POP
TAYLOR SWIFT 7X Multi-Platinum December 11, 2017 SOLO ALBUM COUNTRY
RED 7X Multi-Platinum July 23, 2018 SOLO ALBUM POP
SPEAK NOW 6X Multi-Platinum December 11, 2017 SOLO ALBUM COUNTRY
REPUTATION 3X Multi-Platinum December 11, 2017 SOLO ALBUM POP
LOVER 3X Multi-Platinum October 19, 2022 SOLO ALBUM POP
MIDNIGHTS 2X Multi-Platinum November 30, 2022 ALBUM POP
FOLKLORE 2X Multi-Platinum October 19, 2022 ALBUM ALTERNATIVE
EVERMORE Platinum October 19, 2022 ALBUM ALTERNATIVE
THE TAYLOR SWIFT HOLIDAY COLLECTION Platinum July 23, 2018 SOLO ALBUM COUNTRY


Title Highest Award Certification Date Category Format Genre
DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 6X Multi-Platinum August 8, 2022 SOLO ALBUM None
I AM SASHA FIERCE 6X Multi-Platinum August 8, 2022 SOLO ALBUM None
BEYONCE 5X Multi-Platinum August 8, 2022 SOLO ALBUM None
B'DAY 5X Multi-Platinum August 8, 2022 SOLO ALBUM None
4 4X Multi-Platinum August 8, 2022 SOLO ALBUM None
LEMONADE 3X Multi-Platinum June 12, 2019 SOLO ALBUM POP
RENAISSANCE Platinum November 30, 2022 ALBUM DANCE/ELECTRONIC
HOMECOMING: THE LIVE ALBUM Gold August 8, 2022 ALBUM POP

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I know one Beyoncé song top to bottom. I could sing along to scores of TS songs on the radio. Unavoidably.

Beyonce is 41. She was the "it" singer a generation ago. My kids have no idea who she is, but they know all about Harry Styles, TS, Lizzo, etc. I don't understand all the hubbub about her not winning. Who cares? She has 32 grammys and is one of the richest women not just in entertainment but on the planet. She's not getting any younger and I imagine fewer young people will care about her music in years to come. Relevancy is fleeting and tastes change. It's sort of how life works.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I don't think so. As someone who isn't a fan of either one of them, I still find myself encountering Taylor Swift's music on a regular basis. I don't find that to be as true with Beyoncé. And I think that's at least partly by design. Swift is essentially aiming to be a pop star. Seems like Beyoncé is aiming for something deeper lately, working in different genres, connecting with history. Wasn't this last album in the dance/electronic category? That's great, but not as many white people listen to that genre as pop.

FIFY

DCUM…the only place where Beyoncé isn’t considered popular or catchy. 🙄 Don’t even have to guess why.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I don't think so. As someone who isn't a fan of either one of them, I still find myself encountering Taylor Swift's music on a regular basis. I don't find that to be as true with Beyoncé. And I think that's at least partly by design. Swift is essentially aiming to be a pop star. Seems like Beyoncé is aiming for something deeper lately, working in different genres, connecting with history. Wasn't this last album in the dance/electronic category? That's great, but not as many people listen to that genre as pop.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I know one Beyoncé song top to bottom. I could sing along to scores of TS songs on the radio. Unavoidably.

I don’t know any Taylor Swift songs top to bottom. I listen to the radio and hear Beyoncé played. I open IG and tic tok and head Beyoncé played. You’re absolutely lying. Beyoncé is everywhere and I’m not even a true fan.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

As PPs have said earlier in this thread, her latest music has been crap on a stick. Maybe when she goes back to making good music she will win.

Taylor Swift music is crap on a stick. Didn’t matter to the Grammys. If Taylor Swift can get 3 Grammys then Beyonce should have 1.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down. [/quote]

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white. [/quote]

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?[/quote]

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times. [/quote]

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.[/quote]

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable? [/quote]

If I access music on spotify or itunes, those services keep delivering me more of the same thing e.g if I put in Mumford and Sons, I then get exposed to a long progression of indie folk musicians - streaming services don't suggest hip hop or classical artists to me. Same thing with netflix etc - I don't watch superhero movies or anime, so these never pop up in my suggested lists. I'm not listening to contemporary music on the radio where music selections might be more random (but not necessarily given the number of specialist radio stations).

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

As PPs have said earlier in this thread, her latest music has been crap on a stick. Maybe when she goes back to making good music she will win.

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Anonymous wrote:If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she needs to drop Jay and get her groove back. Her music turned dark since she married him or at least since all his cheating mess and he is bringing her down.

If Beyoncé wants to win AOTY she will have to become white.

Like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy Jones, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Bruno Mars, and Jon Batiste?

You really think you did something with that list. We just watched the 64th Grammys. Taylor swift has won 3 times.

So what? She's popular and catchy. Her music is unavoidable. It's not a surprise that lots of voters know her albums and vote for them. It's not some some grand conspiracy.

So Beyoncé isn’t known, popular or catchy? Her music isn’t unavoidable?

I know one Beyoncé song top to bottom. I could sing along to scores of TS songs on the radio. Unavoidably.