Anonymous
02/05/2023 14:15
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
I know someone who whet to a top Ivy and lied that he was Latino. In reality his step father was Latino and he took his last name but he was really a white guy. They lived in a wealthy suburb in south Florida and he had the nerve to give an interview saying how hard it was growing up as a Latino in South Florida. Made no sense on multiple fronts.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 14:00
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.
+100000
Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.
Agreed. It’s discriminatory.
And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.
You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.
No, they don’t.
I know we like to believe that the URM with a C average, 1000 SAT is taking the place and paltry ECs are taking the place of a non-minority but that is not the case; the URM usually have a similar academic profile to the non-minority candidate. There is a reason that URM parents tell their kids they have to work twice as hard and be twice as good as their non-minority peers to even get in the conversation.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 13:48
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.
+100000
Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.
Agreed. It’s discriminatory.
And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.
You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.
+100000. I graduated hs 30y ago. The same bs happened then. No one in the top 10 of our class got into harvard, princeton, yale, etc. But guess who did? Someone ranked 25 that was of the correct race. Nothing against as he was qualified but he simply was a higher than average student... but not top 10.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 12:38
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Why was the other thread on “marking Hispanic as ethnicity” locked? I think both have valuable info here.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 09:53
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Almost never. Don't do it.
Huh? We all came out of Africa, the cradle of civilization. We are all African-Americans.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 09:15
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets admitted because of race. It's not a bump. Don't believe it. If there's a toss up between equals and a college realizes their students all are alike, then maybe on occasion given all other things equal someone might get a second look, but all things are equal so it's just the luck of teh draw at that point. Even lying about about race for a scholarship only puts you in the hunt, you're still competing against others on stats. Nobody gets a scholarship just because they are of a certain race, they simply might qualify for it. Even the most diverse colleges fall many percentages points under the representative average of most races, especially Black and Brown.
I worked a summer program during college and we had this exclusive summer program for incoming minority freshmen. The test scores they had were shocking. I mean like 1,000 on the SAT or 20 on the ACT low. This was a state flagship requiring more like a 1350+ or 30+ for most students to have a chance.
Oh this sounds so believable
This is quite believable. I tutored one minority student at a college like this when they recommended some remedial work. The kid needed help with things like adding fractions.
And I’ve met my fair share of dumb white students. So what?
Not the point. The point is they allowed that student to be at the college even though he was not prepared to be there. The dumb white student would not have been accepted.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 09:12
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
It is a game. It’s run by unethical organizations with massive unfair advantages over you. But they insist YOU have to “play fair”. 🙄
This.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 08:51
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
It is a game. It’s run by unethical organizations with massive unfair advantages over you. But they insist YOU have to “play fair”. 🙄
Why are you then so desperate to send your kids to these terrible, unethical organizations. You are so desperate that you are willing advise your kids to kick off their adult lives with a huge lie that will hang over them their entire lives. You are such a hypocrite.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 00:30
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1 on the stupid part
So paper documents, easily forged. Got it.
DP. You doubled down on the stupid. It’s an easily verified number which you enter in the common app.
Two minutes of googling would have saved you the embarrassment you should feel now.
There was no common app 30 years ago, Dummy.
Common app began in 1975. Do you know how to do basic subtraction?
True. Of course it only involved 15 schools. NP
Yep. None of the VA state schools were on it in 1988 when I applied. I had to fill out completely different applications and essays and questions for WM, UVA, Tech, JMU, etc. definitely did not use the common app then—/and yes had to type and mail them in the regular mail and wait for the envelopes to be delivered.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 00:27
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?
JMU did when I applied way back when and a few other schools
Anonymous
02/04/2023 23:30
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
It is a game. It’s run by unethical organizations with massive unfair advantages over you. But they insist YOU have to “play fair”. 🙄
Anonymous
02/04/2023 22:28
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.
+100000
Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.
Agreed. It’s discriminatory.
And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.
You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.
No, they don’t.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 22:17
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.
+100000
Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.
Agreed. It’s discriminatory.
And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.
You don’t get it then. All applicants have the stats. What makes this kid get a yes when other equivalent kids get a no is many times: race/ethnicity. That’s the point. Go read the posts on here about how a very high/perfect stats kid got rejected from a competitive school. Race plays a part and can help “put a thumb on the scale” as was mentioned during the Supreme Court argument.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 22:00
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t fault anyone who does, that’s just this stupid game.
I would. It's not a game, and lying is unethical.
What’s unethical is admitting people on the basis of race.
+100000
Asking my race and using that in admission is actually a crime.
Agreed. It’s discriminatory.
And what it does is minimize the accomplishments of truly qualified URMs by admitting some not so qualified ones. My friend has a smart, hard-working half Black, half-Asian son. People always assume he got in an Ivy because of his race, but I know the kid and can tell you that he definitely had the stats. That DC always feels defensive about his acceptance.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 21:29
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?
How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?
I think they would deny their status based on the photo.
Rachel Dozal pretended to be black for 6 years. How can you deny someone based on race because you think her submitted photo doesn’t show the stated race?
What does that have to do with Rachel Dolezal?
I think the college will look at the photo and assume the student is lying.
In 6 years, did people look at Rachel and assume she was lying? No.