Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 19:43     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many of you would opt for euthanasia (if it were available) if your child had a brain injury…as in brilliant Johnny took a bad fall from his bike, and his IQ drops from potential-Harvard lawyer to someone who can only have a simple job. I mean he won’t have the intellectual abilities of the limbless child (who we’ve already decided is a no-go). I guess what I’m trying to figure out is where will you be drawing the line? Hearing all this about what makes a child fit to live…Johnny is now going to use up financial resources that your second high IQ child could use for law school…do you really want to tell Sally no if Johnny’s highest career aspiration is to be a grocery bagger? I mean he costs a lot of money with no return on investment! The horror!

Really, this is how some of you sound.


Most parents will care for a child if they develop disability later in life (ie after birth) and it will still be very hard. Just like we care for other family members who become disabled due to accident, genes or illness. Why would you bring a child into the world if they have severe disability? That is cruel. Unless you have so much money that you can ensure a great standard of living and care for them for the rest of their natural life.

Do you care if they are sexually abused by their caregiver? Will you get their tubes tied or give them a vasectomy?

Brilliant Johnny having an accident is terrible bad luck
Severely disabled from birth Jenny has the bad luck of having cruel parents.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 19:30     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:My ten year old cousin has Downs. Reading these comments makes me wonder what some of you really think about her when you see her walking down the street.


I likely would see a lovely child. That’s it. Due to my father’s career I was surrounded by children with various disabilities, syndromes, etc. We interacted them as we did with our own siblings.

But, that wasn’t the question.

I can see a child with Down’s syndrome and value them as a wonderful human with a soul and not want to contine a pregnancy with a child with Down’s syndrome. 2 things can be true at the same time.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 19:25     Subject: Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:I would terminate. Thanks to Republicans, many women don't have this choice, however.


Same
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 19:19     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
I wonder how many of you would opt for euthanasia (if it were available) if your child had a brain injury…as in brilliant Johnny took a bad fall from his bike, and his IQ drops from potential-Harvard lawyer to someone who can only have a simple job. I mean he won’t have the intellectual abilities of the limbless child (who we’ve already decided is a no-go). I guess what I’m trying to figure out is where will you be drawing the line? Hearing all this about what makes a child fit to live…Johnny is now going to use up financial resources that your second high IQ child could use for law school…do you really want to tell Sally no if Johnny’s highest career aspiration is to be a grocery bagger? I mean he costs a lot of money with no return on investment! The horror!

Really, this is how some of you sound.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 19:09     Subject: Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:I would have the baby. Is it worse than a kid ending up in prison?


What?
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 18:59     Subject: Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
If the child were otherwise normal - just missing limbs I’d totally have them. There are so many things they can do with prosthetics now - the world is more accessible and accommodating than ever.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:57     Subject: Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't even have a kid missing a finger let alone a whole limb. wtf


I hope you're exaggerating. You can give birth to a perfect baby and they are guaranteed to have some kind of problem or challenge worse than missing a finger.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:53     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Calls for thread deletion are ridiculous. Who knows if this is even a real scenario happening to OP’s friend. It is definitely a scenario happening somewhere to someone at any given time. Does that mean we can never have a conversation about what birth defects would justify termination of pregnancy in our minds?

🙄


I agree.

While I am pro choice (which I stated on page 1), this thread brings out some uncomfortable arguments / examples, such as the way the nazis killed people just for being born differentially-abled.

But if we truly believe in our causes, isnt it healthy to test our beliefs? In theory, shouldn't a good argument make us stronger once its settled?

I do not believe this uncomfortable thread should be deleted. Just the opposite.

Comparing the state making decisions for families to families making decisions for their own families is ridiculous.


In either case though, society is effectively rid of differentially-abled people. The end result is the same.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:48     Subject: Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Missing both arms and legs, no. I do have a dear friend born without arms. He has managed very well. An attorney. Close to 70 now, so grew up before the computer age or age of the accommodating disabilities. Lives a pretty normal life, it just looks different. He had NO special accommodation going through school. No additional time granted, to write, holding a pencil between his toes! His penmanship is readable.

Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:40     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Calls for thread deletion are ridiculous. Who knows if this is even a real scenario happening to OP’s friend. It is definitely a scenario happening somewhere to someone at any given time. Does that mean we can never have a conversation about what birth defects would justify termination of pregnancy in our minds?

🙄


I agree.

While I am pro choice (which I stated on page 1), this thread brings out some uncomfortable arguments / examples, such as the way the nazis killed people just for being born differentially-abled.

But if we truly believe in our causes, isnt it healthy to test our beliefs? In theory, shouldn't a good argument make us stronger once its settled?

I do not believe this uncomfortable thread should be deleted. Just the opposite.

Comparing the state making decisions for families to families making decisions for their own families is ridiculous.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:39     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My ten year old cousin has Downs. Reading these comments makes me wonder what some of you really think about her when you see her walking down the street.


I think that her parents must be stronger than I am.

+1 my best friend from elementary school is in that exact situation and that is exactly what I think.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:31     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:My ten year old cousin has Downs. Reading these comments makes me wonder what some of you really think about her when you see her walking down the street.


I think that her parents must be stronger than I am.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:31     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Calls for thread deletion are ridiculous. Who knows if this is even a real scenario happening to OP’s friend. It is definitely a scenario happening somewhere to someone at any given time. Does that mean we can never have a conversation about what birth defects would justify termination of pregnancy in our minds?

🙄


I agree.

While I am pro choice (which I stated on page 1), this thread brings out some uncomfortable arguments / examples, such as the way the nazis killed people just for being born differentially-abled.

But if we truly believe in our causes, isnt it healthy to test our beliefs? In theory, shouldn't a good argument make us stronger once its settled?

I do not believe this uncomfortable thread should be deleted. Just the opposite.





And let's be clear - the Nazis, as agents of the STATE, did this. Same with involuntary sterilization - it was done by the government. That's very different than a woman and her family making a choice they believe is best for them.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:29     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
I know myself well enough to recognize that I lack the mental health, financial and family resources to care for this child.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2023 17:28     Subject: Re:Would you have a baby with no arms / no legs?
My ten year old cousin has Downs. Reading these comments makes me wonder what some of you really think about her when you see her walking down the street.