Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 19:28     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:I think that if you don’t like Joel Osteen, you shouldn’t listen to or watch him. A lot of people do like him and it is the height of arrogance to adjudge them all stupid, misled or ignorant simply because of that. One of the things he repeats in every broadcast is that people should find a local church home for their foundational religious activity and come to/support his ministry only secondarily. According to various articles, his own money comes from books and appearance fees and he donates a not inconsequential amount back to the ministry in sort of a reverse salary arrangement. Information on charitable giving is harder to find but it appears that the ministry does support charitable causes to at least some extent. Giving him the benefit of the doubt it is entirely possible that he and the ministry are doing more than us public, following the biblical admonition to not let one’s right hand know what the left hand is doing with regard to charity.

The prosperity gospel is open to valid criticism that it overemphasizes God’s provision over other aspects of religious observance. At the same time, a person like Mr. Osteen, with his infallibly positive and uplifting message and personal enthusiasm can be a source of badly needed hope to someone at the end of their rope and ready to give up.

I don’t watch him often, but I find it uplifting when I do. His critics appear to be motivated at least as much by envy of his success and popularity as by any legitimate concern for people who like him. Unlike some other popular preachers, he has not (at least so far) been caught up in any personal moral scandal, nor has he been caught using audience information cards and concealed transmitter equipment to appear to be able to prophesy.



So you are one of his marks. Got it.

And the whole tired “his money comes from books and appearances” line is as stupid as the people who believe that because Trump (supposedly) “didn’t take the presidential salary” ($400K) while in office, that makes him a Man of The People, conveniently ignoring the multimillions he funneled through his own golf courses, hotels and other properties for four years by demanding they be used for everything. Come to think of it, the Osteen audience and the Trump devotees have significant overlap.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 19:16     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all preachers?


You think all preachers and pastors are false? Really? Why?


Why? You are kidding right. Today alone 6 pastors accross the US arrested for child abuse, rape, child porn, grooming, etc... Yes every day check the news.

The catholic church just had another priest arrested in SC for child abuse.

Wake up already this is not hard at this point.



The 2002 Department of Education report estimated that from 6 percent to 10 percent of all students in public schools would be victims of abuse before graduation — a staggering statistic.



Stop deflecting and stay on topic.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 19:16     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Joel Osteen is worth how much?
Private planes.
Expensive cars.

Never ever does he help anyone but himself.

OP how is this a ?
seriously this man has zero redeeming qualities he is a criminal.


I really would like op to explain what she enjoys or finds admirable about watching Osteen.


He makes her feel good and tells her what she wants to hear.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 19:03     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


Then every wealthy person who claims to be Christian and lives in wealth and luxury are frauds also. It’s not just Joel who is the fraud; they all are. If someone is materially wealthy, they are not Christian. They are frauds living in luxury.


Well the pope lives in a literal gilded castle while people all over the globe and just down the street from him suffer so...
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 15:25     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


I don’t think he gets personal tax exemptions, and his money isn’t from the ministry. So I think you’re wrong.

That being said, I think the Ferrari is a bit much.


Retraction: apparently the Ferrari is a fake story and he does not own one after all.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 15:02     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Ugh. My grandpa's entire estate (5m+) went to Joel Osteen. I didn't even care about inheriting so much as it disgusts me who it went to. Slimy
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 10:02     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


I don’t think he gets personal tax exemptions, and his money isn’t from the ministry. So I think you’re wrong.

That being said, I think the Ferrari is a bit much.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 09:21     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


Then every wealthy person who claims to be Christian and lives in wealth and luxury are frauds also. It’s not just Joel who is the fraud; they all are. If someone is materially wealthy, they are not Christian. They are frauds living in luxury.


Ok, whatever you say. I do think the wealthy often has misplaced morals, no matter their religion.

But Osteen gets rich directly off his flock. Which seems to be a certain amount of gross and not something Jesus would support.



Elected officials, even at the highest levels, don’t make millions per year. Yet they amass fortunes of millions of dollars- by writing books and soliciting donations from their “flock.” And most if not all claim to be Christian. Potato po-ta-to.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 08:10     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


Then every wealthy person who claims to be Christian and lives in wealth and luxury are frauds also. It’s not just Joel who is the fraud; they all are. If someone is materially wealthy, they are not Christian. They are frauds living in luxury.


Ok, whatever you say. I do think the wealthy often has misplaced morals, no matter their religion.

But Osteen gets rich directly off his flock. Which seems to be a certain amount of gross and not something Jesus would support.

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 08:06     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.


Then every wealthy person who claims to be Christian and lives in wealth and luxury are frauds also. It’s not just Joel who is the fraud; they all are. If someone is materially wealthy, they are not Christian. They are frauds living in luxury.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 08:03     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Prosperity gospel is a false teaching.


+10000

Osteen is a charlatan, As is anyone who believes in "prosperity gospel."


I wouldn't go that far. The core of the "prosperity gospel" is individual responsibility and agency, which is a key ingredient of Christianity and most religions.

And the opposite of the ""progressive gospel" of the opression olympics and such.


Osteen isn’t a fundamentalist or evangelical, he’s non-denominational lite Christianity. He writes books and uses the book income for his personal wealth. He’s very good at what he does. I don’t see him as a charlatan.


When someone is convinced over and over again to give their last dollar for this crap is the definition of Charlatan


I don’t watch or like Osteen, but I’ve not seen any evidence he’s taking people’s “last dollars.”
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 08:01     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Prosperity gospel is a false teaching.


+10000

Osteen is a charlatan, As is anyone who believes in "prosperity gospel."


I wouldn't go that far. The core of the "prosperity gospel" is individual responsibility and agency, which is a key ingredient of Christianity and most religions.

And the opposite of the ""progressive gospel" of the opression olympics and such.


Osteen isn’t a fundamentalist or evangelical, he’s non-denominational lite Christianity. He writes books and uses the book income for his personal wealth. He’s very good at what he does. I don’t see him as a charlatan.


When someone is convinced over and over again to give their last dollar for this crap is the definition of Charlatan
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 07:58     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
People who are real servants of Christ do not live the lifestyle that he lives.

He is a Christian entertainer, much like a pop star would be. Except he gets tax exemptions, which he should not.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 07:54     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Prosperity gospel is a false teaching.


+10000

Osteen is a charlatan, As is anyone who believes in "prosperity gospel."


I wouldn't go that far. The core of the "prosperity gospel" is individual responsibility and agency, which is a key ingredient of Christianity and most religions.

And the opposite of the ""progressive gospel" of the opression olympics and such.


Osteen isn’t a fundamentalist or evangelical, he’s non-denominational lite Christianity. He writes books and uses the book income for his personal wealth. He’s very good at what he does. I don’t see him as a charlatan.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 19:19     Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
For online preachers, I really like Charles Stanley. He’s probably more conservative than me and he’s Baptist- I’m not, but he’s a great educator and I get a lot from his online sermons.