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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

At the 75th percentile, both W&M and UVA were at 1520 for SAT and 34 for ACT last year. GPA was 4.53 at UVA and 4.51 at W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, UVA will soon enough be seeing north of 100,000 applicants a year, with no meaningful increase in class size. That, coupled with the craziness/jealousy of nova parents will be a sight to behold.

But entirely understandable in light of the cost benefits for in-state students. A lot of parents, self included, were slammed in March 2020 financially (the Covid meltdown in the market) and now the new meltdown in the market. Where we might have saved enough for private higher ed institutions, those accounts were decimated now twice. And we have multiple kids to put through college. Public institutions now make the most sense and are a great value.

Depends which public institution. Virginia has three, I guess, that make sense.

Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:The most fascinating part of it all is UVA telling students that they look at the whole applicant and there isn’t really a number of AP classes that are needed and SAT scores aren’t that important. The live Instagram stories say this but the results show a completely different reality.

It depends on where the student is coming from. UVA can, and should, expect a lot more from a kid from Langley or McLean than from a kid in a less privileged part of the state.

Clearly it’s kids compared to kids from their school. The point is that if we are looking at a school system where AP classes are widely available, they will not be looking at the student at all without a crapload of AP classes. Period. Then if the kid has those courses, they will start to give the student another look.

Instead of telling students there is no minimum number of AP classes or test scores, they should be upfront and say: yes, if APs are available, take as many as you can, all four years. Rather than: we don’t look at it as needing a certain number of AP classes. It’s smoke and mirrors, as someone else said.

Honestly I feel like Dean J does say this. She is constantly saying that it is a highly selective school and they look for students pushing themselves across the board.

I disagree.

Dean J: "t’s not just about the grades, it’s about the rigor. It’s about the student taking what we consider the most rigorous courses." Seriously, UVA has ALWAYS been clear about rigor.

Of course…but they they also say: it’s not the number of AP classes, take what interests you as far as AP classes, we don’t care so much about standardized test scores, etc. they also say it’s not abt number of APs…and some schools don’t have a lot of APs. It should be a definite position: if your school offers a lot of APs, take as many as you can, every year you can. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, UVA will soon enough be seeing north of 100,000 applicants a year, with no meaningful increase in class size. That, coupled with the craziness/jealousy of nova parents will be a sight to behold.

But entirely understandable in light of the cost benefits for in-state students. A lot of parents, self included, were slammed in March 2020 financially (the Covid meltdown in the market) and now the new meltdown in the market. Where we might have saved enough for private higher ed institutions, those accounts were decimated now twice. And we have multiple kids to put through college. Public institutions now make the most sense and are a great value.

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Anonymous wrote:The most fascinating part of it all is UVA telling students that they look at the whole applicant and there isn’t really a number of AP classes that are needed and SAT scores aren’t that important. The live Instagram stories say this but the results show a completely different reality.

It depends on where the student is coming from. UVA can, and should, expect a lot more from a kid from Langley or McLean than from a kid in a less privileged part of the state.

Clearly it’s kids compared to kids from their school. The point is that if we are looking at a school system where AP classes are widely available, they will not be looking at the student at all without a crapload of AP classes. Period. Then if the kid has those courses, they will start to give the student another look.

Instead of telling students there is no minimum number of AP classes or test scores, they should be upfront and say: yes, if APs are available, take as many as you can, all four years. Rather than: we don’t look at it as needing a certain number of AP classes. It’s smoke and mirrors, as someone else said.

Honestly I feel like Dean J does say this. She is constantly saying that it is a highly selective school and they look for students pushing themselves across the board.

I disagree.

Dean J: "t’s not just about the grades, it’s about the rigor. It’s about the student taking what we consider the most rigorous courses." Seriously, UVA has ALWAYS been clear about rigor.

Of course…but they they also say: it’s not the number of AP classes, take what interests you as far as AP classes, we don’t care so much about standardized test scores, etc. they also say it’s not abt number of APs…and some schools don’t have a lot of APs. It should be a definite position: if your school offers a lot of APs, take as many as you can, every year you can. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:The most fascinating part of it all is UVA telling students that they look at the whole applicant and there isn’t really a number of AP classes that are needed and SAT scores aren’t that important. The live Instagram stories say this but the results show a completely different reality.

It depends on where the student is coming from. UVA can, and should, expect a lot more from a kid from Langley or McLean than from a kid in a less privileged part of the state.

Clearly it’s kids compared to kids from their school. The point is that if we are looking at a school system where AP classes are widely available, they will not be looking at the student at all without a crapload of AP classes. Period. Then if the kid has those courses, they will start to give the student another look.

Instead of telling students there is no minimum number of AP classes or test scores, they should be upfront and say: yes, if APs are available, take as many as you can, all four years. Rather than: we don’t look at it as needing a certain number of AP classes. It’s smoke and mirrors, as someone else said.

Honestly I feel like Dean J does say this. She is constantly saying that it is a highly selective school and they look for students pushing themselves across the board.

I disagree.

Dean J: "t’s not just about the grades, it’s about the rigor. It’s about the student taking what we consider the most rigorous courses." Seriously, UVA has ALWAYS been clear about rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:The most fascinating part of it all is UVA telling students that they look at the whole applicant and there isn’t really a number of AP classes that are needed and SAT scores aren’t that important. The live Instagram stories say this but the results show a completely different reality.

It depends on where the student is coming from. UVA can, and should, expect a lot more from a kid from Langley or McLean than from a kid in a less privileged part of the state.

Clearly it’s kids compared to kids from their school. The point is that if we are looking at a school system where AP classes are widely available, they will not be looking at the student at all without a crapload of AP classes. Period. Then if the kid has those courses, they will start to give the student another look.

Instead of telling students there is no minimum number of AP classes or test scores, they should be upfront and say: yes, if APs are available, take as many as you can, all four years. Rather than: we don’t look at it as needing a certain number of AP classes. It’s smoke and mirrors, as someone else said.

Honestly I feel like Dean J does say this. She is constantly saying that it is a highly selective school and they look for students pushing themselves across the board.

I disagree.