Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:41
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
+1 this is a recipe for being stressed about work all day and night
This is my salary level as well. I check once at night after kids go to bed like 8pm and then again around 8:30am at the start of my day.
I’m also at this salary and sometimes check once off-hours, usually very early in the morning (and mostly to clear out random emails). It’s a good salary, certainly, but for the DC area it’s not that unusual.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:37
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
+1 this is a recipe for being stressed about work all day and night
This is my salary level as well. I check once at night after kids go to bed like 8pm and then again around 8:30am at the start of my day.
I feel the opposite. Knowledge is power. I have no issue with declining a meeting invite or sending a subordinate. I hate not knowing. It makes me anxious
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:32
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:I get off hours meetings but the concept of off hours is unusual. I have meetings anytime between 730 am and six pm. But I rarely have meetings.
My meetings people are in India, UK, Midwest, West Coast, Japan they try to find middle ground.
I am not working OT. As there is no concept of OT.
Maybe your husband can make his own breakfast and get kids ready when you have a morning call.
The issue is not an early morning call. I’ve done those and it’s fine. The issue is having 11 hours’ notice of an 8am call.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:15
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
I get off hours meetings but the concept of off hours is unusual. I have meetings anytime between 730 am and six pm. But I rarely have meetings.
My meetings people are in India, UK, Midwest, West Coast, Japan they try to find middle ground.
I am not working OT. As there is no concept of OT.
Maybe your husband can make his own breakfast and get kids ready when you have a morning call.
My meetings people are in India, UK, Midwest, West Coast, Japan they try to find middle ground.
I am not working OT. As there is no concept of OT.
Maybe your husband can make his own breakfast and get kids ready when you have a morning call.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:13
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
I make well over that and this sounds insane.
I'm the $200K+ nonprofit poster. (It looks like a few other posters hopped in on my back and forth with another poster.)
+1000 on this.
For me,
$100/150k+ = several times after hours, including being available for emergency meetings
$400k+ = constantly on email, accepting that meetings will happen after hours
I imagine this is also a factor of age/phase of life. A 30-year-old making $250k and still climbing the ladder is going to have more need to prove themselves than the 60-year-old (on their way out) making $250k. Industry too. I'm in law and it's just too competitive to think you can check out after hours. There are tons willing to replace you at the drop of a hat. Finance and Tech are similar.
That said, I'm also surprised by the poster who said her spouse makes like $300k, has millions in stock options, and never checks after 5pm. That strikes me as very odd.
I’m that poster. I didn’t say never; I said it’s unusual. He does a very good job placing boundaries.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:55
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
I make well over that and this sounds insane.
I'm the $200K+ nonprofit poster. (It looks like a few other posters hopped in on my back and forth with another poster.)
+1000 on this.
For me,
$100/150k+ = several times after hours, including being available for emergency meetings
$400k+ = constantly on email, accepting that meetings will happen after hours
I imagine this is also a factor of age/phase of life. A 30-year-old making $250k and still climbing the ladder is going to have more need to prove themselves than the 60-year-old (on their way out) making $250k. Industry too. I'm in law and it's just too competitive to think you can check out after hours. There are tons willing to replace you at the drop of a hat. Finance and Tech are similar.
That said, I'm also surprised by the poster who said her spouse makes like $300k, has millions in stock options, and never checks after 5pm. That strikes me as very odd.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:50
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
+1 this is a recipe for being stressed about work all day and night
This is my salary level as well. I check once at night after kids go to bed like 8pm and then again around 8:30am at the start of my day.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:49
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
I make more money than you say you do and do not read emails at 6am. My team knows we don’t schedule outside 11-4 unless it’s been approved by leadership (me) and we all are somehow good enough at our jobs to not realize we have to schedule a meeting at 9pm.
All of this “on call” and “check before bed” is a way of saying you don’t expect people in your organization to work to a high standard of professionalism or have good time management skills. Work on those issues and you don’t need to read email at 6am.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:48
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
Agreed, that’s not a 24h on call salary. But we can agree to disagree - I do think it’s a “check email once after hours” salary.
And in this case, if OP happened to check it at 8:30pm, they would’ve missed this meeting invite.
Nope, in this case OP woke up earlier than that to get her daughter ready for school and then checked at 8:30. If she had checked earlier, she could have declined the meeting and not have been blindsided.
Why the heck does she need to check emails during her personal time? She should use her precious morning time to enjoy a cup of coffee, a book, do yoga or meditate, spend quality time with her kids, and get them out the door pleasantly.
And before you say it, checking email is not a “5 second” task. If you have a position of responsibility, opening your inbox reminds you of a lot of things that you need to think about and work on. Those things stay with you even when you put the phone back on, and distract you from the things you actually want to do during your personal time. Better to completely unplug unless you are in a job where a non-response equals literal life and death.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:45
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
I make well over that and this sounds insane.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:39
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:This is a “poor planning on your (meeting organizers) part does not constitute an emergency on my part” situation.
+100000. I am the $200k poster and I would unapologetically say, sorry I was doing school drop-off. Happy to meet later in the day.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:37
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
Yeah…. no. I make over $200k and am not expected to check my e-mail outside of 9-5. And I decline meetings between 9-10 and 12-1 because that is time to check my email and do head’s down work.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:26
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
Agreed, that’s not a 24h on call salary. But we can agree to disagree - I do think it’s a “check email once after hours” salary.
And in this case, if OP happened to check it at 8:30pm, they would’ve missed this meeting invite.
Nope, in this case OP woke up earlier than that to get her daughter ready for school and then checked at 8:30. If she had checked earlier, she could have declined the meeting and not have been blindsided.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:18
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
Agreed, that’s not a 24h on call salary. But we can agree to disagree - I do think it’s a “check email once after hours” salary.
And in this case, if OP happened to check it at 8:30pm, they would’ve missed this meeting invite.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:17
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
Agreed, that’s not a 24h on call salary. But we can agree to disagree - I do think it’s a “check email once after hours” salary.