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Anonymous wrote:Here is the full settlement: https://www.acluva.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/seaman_v._virginia_settlement_agreement_fully_executed.pdf

I can't cut and paste from it, but it makes clear that this is not some kind of right to reinstitute 100% masking based on an unsupported allegation that the child is "immunocompromised" or whatever. Kids in Virginia still have rights NOT to mask - both under Virginia law and the ADA.

Thanks for posting! It's actually very narrow in saying that the plaintiffs can request masking as an accommodation (no guarantee it will be given) and explicitly says that schools also have to accommodate kids who don't want to mask by providing an alternate placement.

Sorry - that's backwards. Why should everyone else have to seek alternative placement rather than the student "requiring" their peers be masked? THAT's the one who needs to seek alternative placement.

Also what happens if no one else in the grade wants their kids to have to mask and they all requests an alternative placement ?

Students with disabilities have certain rights that don’t apply to non-disabled students. A kid with a disability has a right to a reasonable accommodation for their disability.

Asking a classroom of other students to do something they and their parents don't want them to is not a reasonable accommodation for the one student.

Well according to some people almost anything is reasonable if it's for someone with a disability because THEY have a right to whatever they need to make there educational experience perfect for them. Other kids? Not so much.....they can just take the hits. Anyone that doesn't see this as illogical and immoral is not thinking clearly. People have taken things way too far in an attempt to help those with disabilities (which is a huge percentage of kids now ). I don't think that is the spirit of the laws and I don't think it's possible with this mind set. Special education will bankrupt schools/towns and the country if this continues.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if a student in your child’s class has cancer, you’re not willing to have your kid mask?

My child is deaf. Your child will not wear a mask so my child can read her lips. Cancer student should stay home.

How about your deaf child stays home since she can't hear? See how this works?

A sigh language interpreter in the classroom doesn’t interfere with other kids ability to learn. Special software that helps communicate doesn’t interfere with the other kids ability to learn A mask that makes it harder for a Teacher and classmates to be understood interferes with their ability to learn. One kids accommodations don’t interfere with the rest of the classes ability to learn while the other one does. See how that works?

A sign language interpreter is distracting to the kids with ADHD. Your kid should stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the full settlement: https://www.acluva.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/seaman_v._virginia_settlement_agreement_fully_executed.pdf

I can't cut and paste from it, but it makes clear that this is not some kind of right to reinstitute 100% masking based on an unsupported allegation that the child is "immunocompromised" or whatever. Kids in Virginia still have rights NOT to mask - both under Virginia law and the ADA.

Thanks for posting! It's actually very narrow in saying that the plaintiffs can request masking as an accommodation (no guarantee it will be given) and explicitly says that schools also have to accommodate kids who don't want to mask by providing an alternate placement.

Sorry - that's backwards. Why should everyone else have to seek alternative placement rather than the student "requiring" their peers be masked? THAT's the one who needs to seek alternative placement.

Also what happens if no one else in the grade wants their kids to have to mask and they all requests an alternative placement ?

Students with disabilities have certain rights that don’t apply to non-disabled students. A kid with a disability has a right to a reasonable accommodation for their disability.

Asking a classroom of other students to do something they and their parents don't want them to is not a reasonable accommodation for the one student.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone forgets that this lawsuit wasn't filed because of a health concerns. It was a filed for political reasons to prove that republicans are wrong. Now, no cares anymore about the governor being a republican and the whole "trumper" thing has lost it's edge so people don't really care about masks.

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Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Tell me you hate kids with disabilities without saying you hate kids with disabilities.

I have a kid with a disability. Who didn’t get services he’s entitled to per his IEP during school closures. But nice try.

Oh so you just hate THOSE kids with disabilities, you know the ones who don't have health immune systems. You're still being ableist.

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Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and [b]lots of uninformed opinions on their harms[/b].

Do you seriously think enough time has passed to definitely declare there are no harms to masking. These things take literal years to show long term effects. And way to dismiss all the parents who have witnessed first-hand the negative effects of masking on their children.

And the studies don’t show cloth masks do much. That is pretty common knowledge now. N95s do work, but those protect the wearer. So just wear an N95 if you (or your kids) would like. But if you think something sold at Old Navy and worn by a 6 year old is going to protect a child with cancer, I think you are the one who has “your science wrong.”

"Yeah, science can only prove the points that I agree with..."

What? You aren’t responding at all to anything in the above post. Do you truly believe an old Navy cloth mask worn by a first grader is going to protect a classmate with a severely compromised immune system. Show me the science that proves that point …

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/12/aclu-parents-virginia-settle-lawsuit-school-masking-accommodations/

Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and [b]lots of uninformed opinions on their harms[/b].

Do you seriously think enough time has passed to definitely declare there are no harms to masking. These things take literal years to show long term effects. And way to dismiss all the parents who have witnessed first-hand the negative effects of masking on their children.

And the studies don’t show cloth masks do much. That is pretty common knowledge now. N95s do work, but those protect the wearer. So just wear an N95 if you (or your kids) would like. But if you think something sold at Old Navy and worn by a 6 year old is going to protect a child with cancer, I think you are the one who has “your science wrong.”

"Yeah, science can only prove the points that I agree with..."

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/12/aclu-parents-virginia-settle-lawsuit-school-masking-accommodations/

Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and [b]lots of uninformed opinions on their harms[/b].

Do you seriously think enough time has passed to definitely declare there are no harms to masking. These things take literal years to show long term effects. And way to dismiss all the parents who have witnessed first-hand the negative effects of masking on their children.

And the studies don’t show cloth masks do much. That is pretty common knowledge now. N95s do work, but those protect the wearer. So just wear an N95 if you (or your kids) would like. But if you think something sold at Old Navy and worn by a 6 year old is going to protect a child with cancer, I think you are the one who has “your science wrong.”

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Anonymous wrote:I have had students with cancer before (they are all in remission!). They switched to homebound instruction during much of their chemotherapy, and when they were medically cleared to return to school, they wore masks, but nothing was suggested about other students wearing masks. I can't see it being required in such situations--if a student is ill enough to need everyone around them to be masked, then they are too ill to take a chance on other students not complying.

This is the answer, an in actuality families with truly immunocompromised kids will choose this option. The only parents who will try to force all their kids’ classmates to mask are the ones who get annoyed by routine illnesses and think their kid is entitled to never have a runny nose.

I saw a post about masking today in AEM in which someone pointed out our local COVID rates are low, but someone actually responded that it’s also about flu, RSV, and other viruses.

Those of us who claimed last winter that the pro mask mandate people would try to keep us masking for non-COVID illnesses were told we were crazy, yet here we are. I knew there would be a nutty contingent who want masking every year because they don’t want a cold.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/12/aclu-parents-virginia-settle-lawsuit-school-masking-accommodations/

Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and lots of uninformed opinions on their harms.

Please go re-read. Where did I say masks *cause* speech delays? I’m waiting … Maybe read before you respond and call others uninformed.

so you admit that they don't?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/12/aclu-parents-virginia-settle-lawsuit-school-masking-accommodations/

Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and lots of uninformed opinions on their harms.

Please go re-read. Where did I say masks *cause* speech delays? I’m waiting … Maybe read before you respond and call others uninformed.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbc12.com/2022/12/12/aclu-parents-virginia-settle-lawsuit-school-masking-accommodations/

Does this mean what I think it means? That schools can require students to mask as an accommodation for others? What happens when someone filed a counter request for an accommodation that their child has a disability that makes masking difficult (such as social or speech delays)?

Is there a certain illness metric that must be met, or is the school now required to enforce universal masking if one kid makes a claim that they need an accommodation. Why now when COVID numbers are low? Will this apply to fly, RSV, etc.?

This seems like a giant can of worms and I’m sure I’ll get skewered, but I don’t want my young kids back in masks. My almost-5 year old spent nearly half his life in one and hated it. He has delays and it was a nightmare for us to get him to wear it. We are vaxxed and boosted, and masked when mandated, so no, not crazy Trumpers. But I am concerned we are opening the door to this concept of making a whole class of kids be a part of a student’s accommodation.

And FWIW I also don’t think a whole class of kids should be disrupted because one student with an IEP is having a violent meltdown. In general I think accommodations should not extend to altering the behavior of other students in class.

Speech delays have nothing to do with masking. ASD might. It's kinda sad you cannot be considerate to the child who may have health issues who otherwise may not be able to go to school. Being vaccinated and boosted helps your child not others as its not stopping transmission fully. Maybe you should homeschool.

You asset this rather confidently but we really don’t know that speech delays have nothing to do with masking. Masks may not cause delays, but they certainly don’t help them. And kids with autism/sensory issues may not like masking. But no one was worried about those kids during school closures/mask mandates. Even now, COVID is still the cause du jour for a certain segment of society who act as if it’s the only heath issue that matters.

I love when people assert so confidently that masks don't work but that they have been proven to cause speech delays.

Uh, I think you have your science wrong. Lots of studies showing masks work and lots of uninformed opinions on their harms.