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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

I’m not going to say anything to kids in that second because it is more appropriate for security or admin to handle those issues. I understand you don’t get legal liability in schools but I cannot put hands on kids to separate them or be forceful in any way. If I saw feet in the stall I would probably tell them to come out , but they wouldn’t, and I would get admin / security who would be the ones who need to handle it. Teachers are NOT THE ONES in the building tasked with breaking up fights, handling sexual incidents, or dealing with contraband. It is a huge issue if we do so. Again, the teacher likely didn’t walk in WHEN the assault was occurring because the report claims the assailant had the victim on the floor assaulting her. That’s not what the teacher saw. She probably left to tell someone and then nobody followed up.

You would not swing open the bathroom door and yell at the top of your lungs down the hall to get help? You would not use your phone to call for help? You’d simply leave the bathroom? Good job taking the moral high ground. “Not my job” is the worst excuse in the world for doing nothing

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

Ok, armchair quarterback. How long have you been teaching?

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

This is where we differ. If I walk in and see this, it doesn’t matter how often it happens. You make the students exit the stall - you saw it, you do something about it. Take photos of the feet if you have to. Put your phone on audio record. Then when the administration comes after you (which they probably will since they are cowards), you have things documented and you go straight to the media with a lawyer.

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Sounds like the whole School Board needs to go. And, the legal counsel for LCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

I’m not going to say anything to kids in that second because it is more appropriate for security or admin to handle those issues. I understand you don’t get legal liability in schools but I cannot put hands on kids to separate them or be forceful in any way. If I saw feet in the stall I would probably tell them to come out , but they wouldn’t, and I would get admin / security who would be the ones who need to handle it. Teachers are NOT THE ONES in the building tasked with breaking up fights, handling sexual incidents, or dealing with contraband. It is a huge issue if we do so. Again, the teacher likely didn’t walk in WHEN the assault was occurring because the report claims the assailant had the victim on the floor assaulting her. That’s not what the teacher saw. She probably left to tell someone and then nobody followed up.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

The grand jury report shows admin getting angry at a teacher for writing an email about the kid sitting on girls' laps and putting his arm around their necks. The admin assumed the teacher was transphobic so in that kind of work environment a teacher is going to ignore a whole lot rather than risk their job.

I guess I am cut from a different cloth. My job is not worth not protecting kids

Can’t protect the kids if you’re unemployed. You also can’t pay your mortgage. It’s an easy thing to type on DCUM, but the reality for most people is very different.

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Sounds like the whole School Board needs to go. And, the legal counsel for LCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

Good thing hell has an abundance of space for teachers like that.

I'm not sure why you are so emotionally attached to this teacher but what do you suppose this school's admin would have done about the teacher reporting feet in a stall? Another teacher reported the boy for putting his arm around girls' necks and was assumed to be biased. Whether or not the teacher actually reported, the result would have been the same.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

Good thing hell has an abundance of space for teachers like that.

I'm not sure why you are so emotionally attached to this teacher but what do you suppose this school's admin would have done about the teacher reporting feet in a stall? Another teacher reported the boy for putting his arm around girls' necks and was assumed to be biased. Whether or not the teacher actually reported, the result would have been the same.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

Good thing hell has an abundance of space for teachers like that.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

PP here. I have worked in several different school systems as a special education teacher, school psychologist and administrator for many years -- elementary through high school. What you've described is not happening in well run schools with dedicated professionals. If it's true where you work, then I can see why the public would be highly critical of your school system. And, no, I would NOT just walk out and say nothing.

When is the last time you worked in a school because I PROMISE you the game has changed since Covid. Yup, even in the “good schools.” You don’t have a clue if you haven’t been teaching IN a school since before March 2020. Not a clue.

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.