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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

So we should only allow % reflecting group's population? Good lord.

Never said that. Even with AA, Asian Americans are over represented and Blacks are underrepresented at most schools.

Maybe they are better qualified. I don't suppose you would accept that possibility.

I am going to leave it to colleges to decide who is qualified. Many seem to believe academics (which I assume is what you mean by qualified) are only one of the many things an applicant can contribute to create a robust student population at a school.

What if colleges decided the core qualification for admittance was being white? Would you still be fine with leaving it up to colleges to decide?

The best colleges in China and Japan seems to think being Asian is the main qualification.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

So we should only allow % reflecting group's population? Good lord.

Never said that. Even with AA, Asian Americans are over represented and Blacks are underrepresented at most schools.

Maybe they are better qualified. I don't suppose you would accept that possibility.

I am going to leave it to colleges to decide who is qualified. Many seem to believe academics (which I assume is what you mean by qualified) are only one of the many things an applicant can contribute to create a robust student population at a school.

What if colleges decided the core qualification for admittance was being white? Would you still be fine with leaving it up to colleges to decide?

The best colleges in China and Japan seems to think being Asian is the main qualification.

Nothing in most Asian countries is open even to Asians of another nationality, let alone those of another race. Despite all of our faults, the US is one of the best countries in the world at having opportunities open to everyone. We've got a long way to go still--and affirmative action is a part of that progress, IMHO--but we're centuries ahead of countries in many corners of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

Google red lining.

You think kids today whose parents were in segregated schools have the same education and opportunities?

American born native speakers can't even compete straight against relatively recent immigrants who have cultural and language barriers??

Clearly they are.

However still blaming slavery and want free seats?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

So we should only allow % reflecting group's population? Good lord.

Never said that. Even with AA, Asian Americans are over represented and Blacks are underrepresented at most schools.

Maybe they are better qualified. I don't suppose you would accept that possibility.

I am going to leave it to colleges to decide who is qualified. Many seem to believe academics (which I assume is what you mean by qualified) are only one of the many things an applicant can contribute to create a robust student population at a school.

What if colleges decided the core qualification for admittance was being white? Would you still be fine with leaving it up to colleges to decide?

The best colleges in China and Japan seems to think being Asian is the main qualification.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

So we should only allow % reflecting group's population? Good lord.

Never said that. Even with AA, Asian Americans are over represented and Blacks are underrepresented at most schools.

Maybe they are better qualified. I don't suppose you would accept that possibility.

I am going to leave it to colleges to decide who is qualified. Many seem to believe academics (which I assume is what you mean by qualified) are only one of the many things an applicant can contribute to create a robust student population at a school.

What if colleges decided the core qualification for admittance was being white? Would you still be fine with leaving it up to colleges to decide?

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

Google red lining.

You think kids today whose parents were in segregated schools have the same education and opportunities?

American born native speakers can't even compete straight against relatively recent immigrants who have cultural and language barriers??

Clearly they are.

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

Google red lining.

You think kids today whose parents were in segregated schools have the same education and opportunities?

No, they it better - they have been getting and currently get preferences and boost in college admissions and employment.

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

Google red lining.

You think kids today whose parents were in segregated schools have the same education and opportunities?

American born native speakers can't even compete straight against relatively recent immigrants who have cultural and language barriers??

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the Asians who make it into Ivies are international or first generation, percentage of American born Asian-American admits is lower.

This is who the white supremacy should target internationals. Most cant even speak English well enough to give an oral presentation.

You really believe that undergrads admitted to Harvard cannot speak English well enough to give an oral presentation. You have no idea about the level of competition internationally for these slots. We really are getting some of the best kids in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:While studying in undergrad, I had multiple TAs that I couldn’t understand what they were saying. Their grasp of concepts was strong. Their ability to explain any of that knowledge to me was poor. Not only accent - it’s sentence structure and incorrect word use. I was trying to learn new concepts and I had to decipher what they were saying.

And that's relevant to this thread how?

Anonymous wrote:While studying in undergrad, I had multiple TAs that I couldn’t understand what they were saying. Their grasp of concepts was strong. Their ability to explain any of that knowledge to me was poor. Not only accent - it’s sentence structure and incorrect word use. I was trying to learn new concepts and I had to decipher what they were saying.

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

I am honestly shocked people are still asking this. Google “21st century impacts of slavery in the US” if you really want to learn more about the topic. There are multiple scholarly articles written about it.

+1000 How ignorant can people be?

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Anonymous wrote:How are African American kids born in 2005 affected by slavery other than that they were born in the US rather than somewhere Africa.

I am honestly shocked people are still asking this. Google “21st century impacts of slavery in the US” if you really want to learn more about the topic. There are multiple scholarly articles written about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the Asians who make it into Ivies are international or first generation, percentage of American born Asian-American admits is lower.

This is who the white supremacy should target internationals. Most cant even speak English well enough to give an oral presentation.