Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 13:19     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?


Why I don't bike besides safety:

(1) Don't want to get to work and be sweaty or ruin my clothes.
(2) Drive my kids to school (they are too big to put in one of those Amsterdam style bikes) - we live too far away to walk and bus service doesn't come often enough in the AM. (They do take the bus home.)
(3) My street is too steep on the way back. I'd have to walk the bike up hills which would take too long. (I work full time.)
(4) I only have time to grocery shop once a week, so it's too much to fit in a bike.
(5) For short trips on mostly flat surfaces, I'd consider it, but worried about the bike getting stolen.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 13:09     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?

How about more basic and practical factors like: comfort, convenience, efficiency, needs, etc. 20% of the population of DC is either over the age of 65 or under the age of 5. 12% of the population are disabled, including 6% of those from the ages of 5-64.

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but not everyone wants to bike at all. In fact, the vast majority of people in disinterested in cycling both as a matter of transportation and for recreation.



No one is suggesting that *everyone* needs to bike. But if you have enough people biking then it opens up road space and parking spots for the people you cite, who *need* to drive. Making biking safer does that. The alternative is the unmanagable situation we currently have. It is only going to get worse, so how about trying something different?
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 12:49     Subject: Re:Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

These last two responses, in response to me making a rational, objective, statistical statement, is why you anti bike ppl are nutso. From one sentence I’m full of myself and demand all the resources. You all are wacky
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 12:38     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?

How about more basic and practical factors like: comfort, convenience, efficiency, needs, etc. 20% of the population of DC is either over the age of 65 or under the age of 5. 12% of the population are disabled, including 6% of those from the ages of 5-64.

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but not everyone wants to bike at all. In fact, the vast majority of people in disinterested in cycling both as a matter of transportation and for recreation.



You just gave numbers that represent ~1in5 people. That does leave the vast majority

You are so full of yourself that you cannot even understand that disabled people have/need caregivers. But beyond that, the answer that the vast majority of people don’t want to bicycle is evident in the numbers. Only 5% of people bike occasionally and this has not increased over a decade where DC has dedicated a lot of resources toward bicycles. If adding more protected bike lanes is not increasing the modal share for bicycling beyond less than one in twenty people, then the reality is that the vast majority of people don’t just like riding bicycles, they really do not like riding bicycles. Or else they would be riding already.

It is important to note that while the evidence shows that putting more resources into bicycle infrastructure does not increase the modal share for cycling, investing in transit can and does have direct impact on transit utilizaition. Frequent, fast and safe transit service is proven to get more people out of cars but this is impossible to do when cyclists are demanding hoarding public resources for their limited use.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 12:34     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?

How about more basic and practical factors like: comfort, convenience, efficiency, needs, etc. 20% of the population of DC is either over the age of 65 or under the age of 5. 12% of the population are disabled, including 6% of those from the ages of 5-64.

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but not everyone wants to bike at all. In fact, the vast majority of people in disinterested in cycling both as a matter of transportation and for recreation.



You just gave numbers that represent ~1in5 people. That does leave the vast majority

You are so full of yourself that you cannot even understand that disabled people have/need caregivers. But beyond that, the answer that the vast majority of people don’t want to bicycle is evident in the numbers. Only 5% of people bike occasionally and this has not increased over a decade where DC has dedicated a lot of resources toward bicycles. If adding more protected bike lanes is not increasing the modal share for bicycling beyond less than one in twenty people, then the reality is that the vast majority of people don’t just like riding bicycles, they really do not like riding bicycles. Or else they would be riding already.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 12:21     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?

How about more basic and practical factors like: comfort, convenience, efficiency, needs, etc. 20% of the population of DC is either over the age of 65 or under the age of 5. 12% of the population are disabled, including 6% of those from the ages of 5-64.

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but not everyone wants to bike at all. In fact, the vast majority of people in disinterested in cycling both as a matter of transportation and for recreation.



You just gave numbers that represent ~1in5 people. That does leave the vast majority
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 12:04     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?

How about more basic and practical factors like: comfort, convenience, efficiency, needs, etc. 20% of the population of DC is either over the age of 65 or under the age of 5. 12% of the population are disabled, including 6% of those from the ages of 5-64.

I know it might be hard for you to understand, but not everyone wants to bike at all. In fact, the vast majority of people in disinterested in cycling both as a matter of transportation and for recreation.

Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 11:58     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.


Roads were built for cars and busses.


Many of them were originally built for bicycles, but carry on.

This is one of the most incredibly stupid and ignorant things I have read in a long time. L’Enfant’s plan was created in 1790. The modern bicycles was not even invented until 1885.

Can you not be so friggin’ dumb all the time?


NP: I can’t imagine ending a paragraph like the PP and thinking that anyone would take them seriously
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 11:49     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.


Roads were built for cars and busses.


Many of them were originally built for bicycles, but carry on.

This is one of the most incredibly stupid and ignorant things I have read in a long time. L’Enfant’s plan was created in 1790. The modern bicycles was not even invented until 1885.

Can you not be so friggin’ dumb all the time?
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 11:11     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.


Roads were built for cars and busses.[/quote

Many of them were originally built for bicycles, but carry on.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 11:11     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.


What exactly is stopping the “vast majority of people”? Could it perhaps be the perceived lack of safety due to the lack of protected bike lanes?
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 10:55     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:Let's be real. People driving cars are hogging the roads. Everyone else gets scraps. They like to try to pit us against each other but there's no question that the real problem is that we give too much space to individuals driving alone in oversized cars.


Roads were built for cars and busses.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 10:54     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

I'm all in favor of public transportation and biking for those who are able; but you have to acknowledge that the vast majority of people cannot and will not use a bike as their primary mode of transportation for day to day activities. It just doesn't work.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 10:47     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exactly how many people are driving on those streets at the same time?

Exactly. Those streets are getting more traffic volume of cars and buses in one day than the number of cyclists in one month. Hoarding valuable pulkic resources for a select few individuals is indefensible.


If only 300 people are driving on that road then they shouldn't get 10x the space for driving. Maybe it should be cut down to one general lane, a bus lane, and a bike lane.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2022 08:40     Subject: Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

a three foot bike lane made of paint is not hoarding