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Anonymous wrote:Young men are horny and want to have sex without condoms.

Young women are usually from tough family situations, many a times sexually abused or groomed by family members, and they confuse the sexual hunger of a man as love. They get that attention from men who are just interested in having someone to fuxx.

So there you have it. By being pregnant they get some attention - good or bad.

Girls from loving and stable family, girls who are not abused and girls who have strong loving dads - go on to get an education and if they have sex, they have BC and they protect themselves.

Yes, I agree this is really all it is. No need to make it more complicated.

Agree. This sums it up.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

So those who don’t have children in their twenties are eating at bottomless brunches and talking sports leagues. Okay, you! Sorry I didn’t have children in my twenties nor ate brunch and talked sports. I missed that email.

Um, pretty much. That’s what I was doing before I had my kids- working, living in the city, going out for nice meals, and traveling. That’s what my family and friends who don’t have kids were doing and are still doing. Some people are getting grad degrees in their twenties. And all of that is fine. My only point is that it’s fine to delay having kids (or don’t have them at all! Who cares?) but it’s also fine to have them in your twenties when you are also an adult. There is nothing “too young” about it other than our culture continuing to delay what’s considered to be adulthood. And people who are adamant that you have to wait until your mid to late thirties are as equally annoying and self righteous as the camp who insists on having them young.

So you’re saying nothing to young in regards to having babies. Move to Afghanistan, you’ll fit right in.

No, I said ones mid twenties is not too young- the PP i replied to originally said 26 was too young. A person becomes an adult somewhere between 18 and 21 in the US. So even if it’s not recommended to marry right then, saying you’re too young 5 years later, and should only have kids 12-17 years later is absurd!

The brain is not fully done growing till mid 20’s. 18 is adult only in legal sense. You condone getting married at 18?

So why is it “legal” then? Why can a so called child be drafted to the military, or vote in an election? And no, I don’t condone getting married at 18. But I also don’t think one must be 32 and wait until 37 to have kids. It’s a personal choice and both are “appropriate.”

You came on here to argue that an 18 year old is a adult but then say they shouldn’t marry. Hypocrite.
Because it is legal age doesn’t automatically make them an adult in the biological sense. You are incredibly obtuse that you cannot be more thoughtful than just going by the 18th birthday one inherently is a mature person.

Biologically you would be an adult much younger than 18. More like 13-14

If 26 is TOO young, ya'll did a terrible job raising your daughters, or being raised by your parents (maybe both). FFS let adults adult.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

So those who don’t have children in their twenties are eating at bottomless brunches and talking sports leagues. Okay, you! Sorry I didn’t have children in my twenties nor ate brunch and talked sports. I missed that email.

Um, pretty much. That’s what I was doing before I had my kids- working, living in the city, going out for nice meals, and traveling. That’s what my family and friends who don’t have kids were doing and are still doing. Some people are getting grad degrees in their twenties. And all of that is fine. My only point is that it’s fine to delay having kids (or don’t have them at all! Who cares?) but it’s also fine to have them in your twenties when you are also an adult. There is nothing “too young” about it other than our culture continuing to delay what’s considered to be adulthood. And people who are adamant that you have to wait until your mid to late thirties are as equally annoying and self righteous as the camp who insists on having them young.

So you’re saying nothing to young in regards to having babies. Move to Afghanistan, you’ll fit right in.

No, I said ones mid twenties is not too young- the PP i replied to originally said 26 was too young. A person becomes an adult somewhere between 18 and 21 in the US. So even if it’s not recommended to marry right then, saying you’re too young 5 years later, and should only have kids 12-17 years later is absurd!

The brain is not fully done growing till mid 20’s. 18 is adult only in legal sense. You condone getting married at 18?

So why is it “legal” then? Why can a so called child be drafted to the military, or vote in an election? And no, I don’t condone getting married at 18. But I also don’t think one must be 32 and wait until 37 to have kids. It’s a personal choice and both are “appropriate.”

You came on here to argue that an 18 year old is a adult but then say they shouldn’t marry. Hypocrite.
Because it is legal age doesn’t automatically make them an adult in the biological sense. You are incredibly obtuse that you cannot be more thoughtful than just going by the 18th birthday one inherently is a mature person.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

This article is a few years old but has some good information about how society in Iceland supports single mothers more than most other places - it is still imperfect but light years better than the USA.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/the-independent-mothers-of-iceland

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Anonymous wrote:Is Brunch Granny on this thread? I need to see the fight between her and 26 Is Too Young.

What substances are you abusing? Dp

There is a poster that often comes on the site to complain that women are having children too late because they are out enjoying brunch too much in their 20s. She has self identified as a grandmother who had children young which is how she earned the nickname brunch granny. np

I’m actually “brunch granny” (which I’ll admits made me lol) and while I’ve seen plenty of dcum people complaining that women have kids too old, that’s not my point nor do I care. I care that one obnoxious poster keeps insisting 26 is too young, and that only have kids later is “appropriate.” It’s just untrue. I had my own kids closer to 30. I spent my twenties living a completely child free existence. My kids are young and I’m only in my mid thirties myself. But I also have mature family and friends with thriving kids and lives who had their children in their mid twenties. You guys live in a bubble if you think only 35 year olds can be good first time mothers. There is something to be said for feeling established enough in your personal and professional life in your twenties, and feeling ready to start a family then, and I have no issue with it. It’s not the same as 18, or 21. It’s a full half decade later.

Not to mention fertility issues, which decry as you will, but are a real thing. I had trouble conceiving in my twenties as did several of my friends. It’s not a reason to try if you’re not ready, but I’m glad time was on my side.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Brunch Granny on this thread? I need to see the fight between her and 26 Is Too Young.

What substances are you abusing? Dp

There is a poster that often comes on the site to complain that women are having children too late because they are out enjoying brunch too much in their 20s. She has self identified as a grandmother who had children young which is how she earned the nickname brunch granny. np

You’re following the thread wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

So those who don’t have children in their twenties are eating at bottomless brunches and talking sports leagues. Okay, you! Sorry I didn’t have children in my twenties nor ate brunch and talked sports. I missed that email.

Um, pretty much. That’s what I was doing before I had my kids- working, living in the city, going out for nice meals, and traveling. That’s what my family and friends who don’t have kids were doing and are still doing. Some people are getting grad degrees in their twenties. And all of that is fine. My only point is that it’s fine to delay having kids (or don’t have them at all! Who cares?) but it’s also fine to have them in your twenties when you are also an adult. There is nothing “too young” about it other than our culture continuing to delay what’s considered to be adulthood. And people who are adamant that you have to wait until your mid to late thirties are as equally annoying and self righteous as the camp who insists on having them young.

So you’re saying nothing to young in regards to having babies. Move to Afghanistan, you’ll fit right in.

No, I said ones mid twenties is not too young- the PP i replied to originally said 26 was too young. A person becomes an adult somewhere between 18 and 21 in the US. So even if it’s not recommended to marry right then, saying you’re too young 5 years later, and should only have kids 12-17 years later is absurd!

The brain is not fully done growing till mid 20’s. 18 is adult only in legal sense. You condone getting married at 18?

So why is it “legal” then? Why can a so called child be drafted to the military, or vote in an election? And no, I don’t condone getting married at 18. But I also don’t think one must be 32 and wait until 37 to have kids. It’s a personal choice and both are “appropriate.”

Everyone has their own personal comfort levels when it comes to when they think they are ready to get married and have kids. Personally, no, I would not want my children getting married at 18. If they were happily married and stable financially I would not see an issue with them having a child at 26. A lot of my opinion regarding this revolves around education and financial security.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Brunch Granny on this thread? I need to see the fight between her and 26 Is Too Young.

What substances are you abusing? Dp

There is a poster that often comes on the site to complain that women are having children too late because they are out enjoying brunch too much in their 20s. She has self identified as a grandmother who had children young which is how she earned the nickname brunch granny. np

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

So those who don’t have children in their twenties are eating at bottomless brunches and talking sports leagues. Okay, you! Sorry I didn’t have children in my twenties nor ate brunch and talked sports. I missed that email.

Um, pretty much. That’s what I was doing before I had my kids- working, living in the city, going out for nice meals, and traveling. That’s what my family and friends who don’t have kids were doing and are still doing. Some people are getting grad degrees in their twenties. And all of that is fine. My only point is that it’s fine to delay having kids (or don’t have them at all! Who cares?) but it’s also fine to have them in your twenties when you are also an adult. There is nothing “too young” about it other than our culture continuing to delay what’s considered to be adulthood. And people who are adamant that you have to wait until your mid to late thirties are as equally annoying and self righteous as the camp who insists on having them young.

So you’re saying nothing to young in regards to having babies. Move to Afghanistan, you’ll fit right in.

No, I said ones mid twenties is not too young- the PP i replied to originally said 26 was too young. A person becomes an adult somewhere between 18 and 21 in the US. So even if it’s not recommended to marry right then, saying you’re too young 5 years later, and should only have kids 12-17 years later is absurd!

The brain is not fully done growing till mid 20’s. 18 is adult only in legal sense. You condone getting married at 18?

So why is it “legal” then? Why can a so called child be drafted to the military, or vote in an election? And no, I don’t condone getting married at 18. But I also don’t think one must be 32 and wait until 37 to have kids. It’s a personal choice and both are “appropriate.”

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

Your parents are from a different generation. That is not relevant to 20+ years old today.
Success and wealth do not make one a good parent at a young age. Only serves to cement how wrong you are in your reasoning for having a child.

Bottomless brunches and sports league talk shows your immaturity. I pity your children.

You sound bitter. Praytell, what incremental “maturity” helped you between 25 and 35+ in terms of raising kids?

You tell us since you already told us that 20 years old childless people are having brunch and talking sports.

None, besides more money. That’s been my point the whole time. It’s fine to choose to have kids in your twenties or to have them later. Whatever floats your boat. Just don’t act like having kids later is superior. It’s not, it’s just a choice or circumstance.

Having kids at an appropriate age is superior. Having them early to mid 20’s is not appropriate

26 does not seem too young to me. You can be stable at 26 and responsibly raise a child. But, also, don’t mistake me for brunch granny… I think 36 is fine too!

36 is fine; 26, I don’t think so. -dp

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever seen the TLC show “Unexpected”? This program shows the ups and downs of teens having babies. Typically, teens pregnancies have occurred for a few generations. They interview the soon to be grandma, who is in her early 40’s, and the great grandma, who is barely 60 years old. It’s an eye opener and honestly, maybe a must see TV for the young teen crowd. Note the gender reveals and baby showers the new mother’s expect.

From a biological standpoint this is very much the natural order of things. Beyond the many women who struggle to conceive after prioritizing education and career for most or all of their 20s, and many who are never successful because they waited too long and cannot afford fertility treatments, there is also the very real issue of modern women who have children later in life having less support from other generations who just don’t have the energy once grandchildren and great grandchildren come along.

It would be nice if we could reorganize our society so that women could have babies in their early 20s if they want to without losing all the opportunities that come from delayed motherhood. Iceland is one of the few countries that really enforces this approach through social policies to support mothers.

The current model is unsustainable, I know that.

pp here -- this is such a valid point and I would love to know more about Iceland's support system.

I had my child at 26 (planned) and it has worked out great for me but it was under unusual circumstances. My career has not suffered at all.

I am anecdotally seeing more of my peers have a baby in their late 20s with the advent of paid parental leave.

26 is too young. Sorry

Lol, 26 is not too young. Both of my gen x siblings were married and had their first kids before 26. They are also incredibly successful and wealthy. They had their shit together and did not waste their twenties (and frankly, their peak fertility years) toying around at bottomless brunches and social sports leagues.

My parents also were married at 23 and had their first kid at 25. Both professionals, including biglaw. Was it too young 40 years ago? The only thing that’s changed (besides reproductive medicine) is that for some reason, it’s now acceptable for adults to still be considered incapable children by their mid twenties.

I have no issue with people who choose to wait until they’re 35+ or don’t meet the right person until then, but don’t attack mid twenties as too young either.

-married in my mid twenties, first kid in late twenties.

Your parents are from a different generation. That is not relevant to 20+ years old today.
Success and wealth do not make one a good parent at a young age. Only serves to cement how wrong you are in your reasoning for having a child.

Bottomless brunches and sports league talk shows your immaturity. I pity your children.

You sound bitter. Praytell, what incremental “maturity” helped you between 25 and 35+ in terms of raising kids?

You tell us since you already told us that 20 years old childless people are having brunch and talking sports.

None, besides more money. That’s been my point the whole time. It’s fine to choose to have kids in your twenties or to have them later. Whatever floats your boat. Just don’t act like having kids later is superior. It’s not, it’s just a choice or circumstance.

Having kids at an appropriate age is superior. Having them early to mid 20’s is not appropriate

26 does not seem too young to me. You can be stable at 26 and responsibly raise a child. But, also, don’t mistake me for brunch granny… I think 36 is fine too!

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Anonymous wrote:More than 'why do young people have have kids they can't afford', I don't understand how OP doesn't understand it.

OP, here. I don't understand it because it doesn't make any sense to bring kids into your life that you don't have the time or resources to raise properly. Even if you are putting the burden on the grandparents as free babysitters or rent free living, it's still irresponsible. It hurts people, including and especially the kids.

Dp here, and while I don’t have answer, many of the people getting pregnant in their teens and very early twenties will not have acquired the proper education or career trajectory to ever have truly sufficient resources to raise kids. Many were raised in poverty and broken homes, and it’s all they know. In certain ways they have different ideas of what’s “sufficient” in terms of the resources and infrastructure to raise a child.

I think this is a good point. There was a great episode of The Daily (NY Times podcast) a few weeks ago about child poverty. They interviewed a woman from WV who had her kids in her teens and was making, IIRC, something like $10/hour. She was on all sorts of government programs and yet, when asked, identified herself as middle class and didn't seem to identify her situation as that much of a "problem." Coming from a UMC background, I tend to think of sufficient resources as having enough to save for college, kids activities, travel, enrichment, etc. For other women? Sufficient resources = a roof over the head and food on the table. Even if that food is purchased with gov $$. Even if that roof gets the electricity shut off sometimes. etc etc etc

Anonymous wrote:Is Brunch Granny on this thread? I need to see the fight between her and 26 Is Too Young.

Nice sexist and ageist name-calling, Karen.

Anonymous wrote:Is Brunch Granny on this thread? I need to see the fight between her and 26 Is Too Young.

What substances are you abusing? Dp