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Anonymous wrote:There was an extensive study commissioned by the State Council for Higher Education that asked thousands of recent graduates of state institutions the following questions:

Satisfied with overall undergrad experience? Appreciation for general education now?
Satisfied with long-term career goals progress since undergrad?
Agreeing that undergrad education was worth the cost? Satisfied with how your undergrad prepared you for the workplace?
Agree: “I am satisfied with my life”?

If you average the responses to these questions, the highest favorable responses in order were:

W&M, UVA, VMI, UVA-W, VT, JMU, UMW, LU, RU, ODU, CNU, NSU, VSU, GMU, VCU, RBC

I think this is close to how I would have guessed, with the biggest surprises being UVA-Wise being 4th and GMU and VCU being so near the bottom.

This is only state schools, so schools like W&L and UR were not included.

Link to that study? Because I don't believe that "average" for a minute.

Anonymous wrote:There was an extensive study commissioned by the State Council for Higher Education that asked thousands of recent graduates of state institutions the following questions:

Satisfied with overall undergrad experience? Appreciation for general education now?
Satisfied with long-term career goals progress since undergrad?
Agreeing that undergrad education was worth the cost? Satisfied with how your undergrad prepared you for the workplace?
Agree: “I am satisfied with my life”?

If you average the responses to these questions, the highest favorable responses in order were:

W&M, UVA, VMI, UVA-W, VT, JMU, UMW, LU, RU, ODU, CNU, NSU, VSU, GMU, VCU, RBC

I think this is close to how I would have guessed, with the biggest surprises being UVA-Wise being 4th and GMU and VCU being so near the bottom.

This is only state schools, so schools like W&L and UR were not included.

Anonymous wrote:There was an extensive study commissioned by the State Council for Higher Education that asked thousands of recent graduates of state institutions the following questions:

Satisfied with overall undergrad experience? Appreciation for general education now?
Satisfied with long-term career goals progress since undergrad?
Agreeing that undergrad education was worth the cost? Satisfied with how your undergrad prepared you for the workplace?
Agree: “I am satisfied with my life”?

If you average the responses to these questions, the highest favorable responses in order were:

W&M, UVA, VMI, UVA-W, VT, JMU, UMW, LU, RU, ODU, CNU, NSU, VSU, GMU, VCU, RBC

I think this is close to how I would have guessed, with the biggest surprises being UVA-Wise being 4th and GMU and VCU being so near the bottom.

This is only state schools, so schools like W&L and UR were not included.

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Stats of VA schools:

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP

Thanks. VMI’s median is better than those of GMU, JMu, VCU, UMW and CNU as expected. It might not be popular in (liberal) Northern Virginia but it’s still not a bad school.

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Stats of VA schools:

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP

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Stats of VA schools:

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.

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Northeastern SAT composite is for 2021-2022 is 1530-1440 from the Common Data Set. UVA is 1510-1400. W&M is 1520-1360. https://provost.northeastern.edu/uds/facts/common-data-set/

As I indicated above, I don't really believe 1) that Northeastern's standardized scores are as representative of the student body as UVA and W&M and 2) that the higher SAT scores are actually indicative that Northeastern is a better school. It was just given an example of where you can get to if you are only looking narrowly at stats without any context. Now that they are test-optional, Northeastern has a relatively low percentage of students submitting scores (28% SAT, 14% ACT). This means the scores are really representative only of their top 30% or so of students.

+1 Northeastern has a "Consider if Submitted" stance to SAT scores so only the top 1/3 submit. Most students submit at UVA and W&M.

If someone puts these stats together on a page, though, a reader's quick conclusion would be that Northeastern has a more qualified student body than UVA or W&M, at least from an SAT standpoint. A closer reading would be that Northeastern's scores are more more representative of the top 30% or so while UVA's and W&M's would be more representative of the top 60%+.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.

Not true. Provide cites

Northeastern SAT composite is for 2021-2022 is 1530-1440 from the Common Data Set. UVA is 1510-1400. W&M is 1520-1360. https://provost.northeastern.edu/uds/facts/common-data-set/

As I indicated above, I don't really believe 1) that Northeastern's standardized scores are as representative of the student body as UVA and W&M and 2) that the higher SAT scores are actually indicative that Northeastern is a better school. It was just given an example of where you can get to if you are only looking narrowly at stats without any context. Now that they are test-optional, Northeastern has a relatively low percentage of students submitting scores (28% SAT, 14% ACT). This means the scores are really representative only of their top 30% or so of students.

+1 Northeastern has a "Consider if Submitted" stance to SAT scores so only the top 1/3 submit. Most students submit at UVA and W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.

Not true. Provide cites

Northeastern SAT composite is for 2021-2022 is 1530-1440 from the Common Data Set. UVA is 1510-1400. W&M is 1520-1360. https://provost.northeastern.edu/uds/facts/common-data-set/

As I indicated above, I don't really believe 1) that Northeastern's standardized scores are as representative of the student body as UVA and W&M and 2) that the higher SAT scores are actually indicative that Northeastern is a better school. It was just given an example of where you can get to if you are only looking narrowly at stats without any context. Now that they are test-optional, Northeastern has a relatively low percentage of students submitting scores (28% SAT, 14% ACT). This means the scores are really representative only of their top 30% or so of students.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.

Not true. Provide cites

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA