Anonymous
09/21/2022 13:54
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Great now do a rendering from 1915.
I'm guessing your point is either that (a) "Ukraine" was primarily formed by the 1914-1918 Eastern Front formed from the Austrio-Hungarian and Rumanian Empires, or (b) that Russia was further West than it is now?
If (a), I can only reference the earliest a country (or recognized geographic region) exists as Ukraine.
If (b), then by that argument I might have to go back even further to reference the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Vikings, etc. So that means that all of Russia would be owned by.. Finland, maybe?
Depends on when you start. Musocvy was founded by Kyiv and were the collaborators and local apparatchiks of the Mongolian Horde.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 13:38
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:
Why all these assassinations? Were they all suspected of being western spies? Were they urging Putin to stop the war?
You never know who is coming after you. Taking out high level people pushes the talk of a coup underground. Also let’s people settle scores. Don’t like Jim because he is your rival tell people he is disloyal. Conservatives should be paying attention because this will happen to them in the new trump regime.
Anonymous
09/21/2022 13:30
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Why all these assassinations? Were they all suspected of being western spies? Were they urging Putin to stop the war?
Anonymous
08/25/2022 21:33
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1918-era map seems to be the first definitive definition of Ukraine, as far as I can tell.
Admittedly, the demographics were again changed when Stalin killed between 6-20 million people (with most estimates falling somewhere around 11-12 million dead).
These damn Georgians, such bloodthirsty people, aren't they.
Stalin and Beria, yes.
Anonymous
08/25/2022 18:45
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Another Putin supporter killed by car bomb. Mayor of a Ukrainian town under Russian control
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:42
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:The 1918-era map seems to be the first definitive definition of Ukraine, as far as I can tell.
Admittedly, the demographics were again changed when Stalin killed between 6-20 million people (with most estimates falling somewhere around 11-12 million dead).
These damn Georgians, such bloodthirsty people, aren't they.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:41
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Great now do a rendering from 1915.
I'm guessing your point is either that (a) "Ukraine" was primarily formed by the 1914-1918 Eastern Front formed from the Austrio-Hungarian and Rumanian Empires, or (b) that Russia was further West than it is now?
If (a), I can only reference the earliest a country (or recognized geographic region) exists as Ukraine.
If (b), then by that argument I might have to go back even further to reference the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Vikings, etc. So that means that all of Russia would be owned by.. Finland, maybe?
The point is that you're picking a moment in time and treating it as bible verses. This was a volatile time. Borders were drawn and redrawn and drawn again, countries appeared and disappeared and emerged again as something else. You can't even identify Ukraine's borders on this map in a way that makes sense.
But by all means, let's go back in time to the point the land you're posting from has been owned by the Cherokees. That'll show them.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:41
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
The 1918-era map seems to be the first definitive definition of Ukraine, as far as I can tell.
Admittedly, the demographics were again changed when Stalin killed between 6-20 million people (with most estimates falling somewhere around 11-12 million dead).
Admittedly, the demographics were again changed when Stalin killed between 6-20 million people (with most estimates falling somewhere around 11-12 million dead).
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:36
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Great now do a rendering from 1915.
I'm guessing your point is either that (a) "Ukraine" was primarily formed by the 1914-1918 Eastern Front formed from the Austrio-Hungarian and Rumanian Empires, or (b) that Russia was further West than it is now?
If (a), I can only reference the earliest a country (or recognized geographic region) exists as Ukraine.
If (b), then by that argument I might have to go back even further to reference the Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Vikings, etc. So that means that all of Russia would be owned by.. Finland, maybe?
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:36
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Super, let's return Lithuania to Poland then, I see you love this map.
Nevermind, I love it too, look, Armenia still has Kars! Vivat Hayastan! Oh look Georgia and Armenia are fused, how nice. Where's Azerbaijan? Nevermind who needs it.
I mean let's quote the map or quote the map, you know what I'm saying, don't pick and choose if you think it's THAT authoritative.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:34
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Great now do a rendering from 1915.
Now please explain to the class where you think this map shows the borders of Ukraine.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:24
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Super, let's return Lithuania to Poland then, I see you love this map.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:23
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
Anonymous wrote:And here are two renderings of 1917 October Revolution maps that clearly show that what is modern-day Crimea was pretty much center-of-mass for Ukraine before Stalin wiped out about 2/3rds'ish of the population.
http://kontur-map.ru/1584797_BIG_1_0.jpg
http://ispu.ru/files/u2/book/history/11tema11/kart11/oktabrsk_revoluzia2_files/image001.jpg
Pretty sure ordinary Russians wouldn't know this history, so I hope this info makes its way into anti-propaganda campaigns the next time the news reports Russia is "saving Russians" in the Crimea.
Great now do a rendering from 1915.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:21
Subject: Car bombing in Moscow
But if you want to reshape history to only report post-1940's, you're falling in line with the standard Russian propaganda storyline.