Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:33
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
Are you serious?? How could they not fill all of them? They must have eventually filled them as it is a requirement.
Of course it is not correct....
Other divisions stepped up and filled. Div 12 and 15 had RTOs cover for higher divisions and they didn’t even have to send anyone.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:32
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
That is incorrect. Check the program. 1 CJ from Div. 1 (O). 2 RTOS (T, CB). 1 RTO/Timer (O). 1 C of C (O). 2 timers (CB, T). Awards (DR, HS). I saw all of those folks there.
Also provided Marshals and other personnel.
Yes and Langley manned the swimmer drop off all afternoon. There were plenty of D1 volunteers.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:32
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
That is incorrect. Check the program. 1 CJ from Div. 1 (O). 2 RTOS (T, CB). 1 RTO/Timer (O). 1 C of C (O). 2 timers (CB, T). Awards (DR, HS). I saw all of those folks there.
Also provided Marshals and other personnel.
Sure. There were others, but they were only required to send the number of volunteers I listed. Some of those were hand picked (Ex CJ).
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:29
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, looking at the pictures, it looks like the pool is just not big enough. Some pools has built in bleachers or very wide decks so they an accommodate a lot of spectators.
It’s really a small pool facility and nestled in the back edge of the neighborhood. Not good for even regular B meets.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:14
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
Are you serious?? How could they not fill all of them? They must have eventually filled them as it is a requirement.
Of course it is not correct....
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:13
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
Are you serious?? How could they not fill all of them? They must have eventually filled them as it is a requirement.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 16:13
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
That is incorrect. Check the program. 1 CJ from Div. 1 (O). 2 RTOS (T, CB). 1 RTO/Timer (O). 1 C of C (O). 2 timers (CB, T). Awards (DR, HS). I saw all of those folks there.
Also provided Marshals and other personnel.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:53
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Which team had the charter bus?
Chesterbrook
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:50
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Which team had the charter bus?
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:46
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
I’m think of volunteering for takeoff next year just to see how many D1 teams I can DQ
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:41
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was there. Div 2 team with a lot of relays participating. I had 3 kids swimming in 6 events. I applaud Hamlet for stepping up. All of their volunteers did the best they could, especially the marshals running the bleachers. The drop-off area was great. It was brutally hot, but there was plenty of space for teams to hang out. The clerk of course was at least in the shade.
If parents would follow the rules and get out when their kids aren't swimming, it would have made everything better. The bleachers were tight but there was enough room for each event if people would move. Maybe they give out tickets for each event and you need one to be in the spectator area. Otherwise, you hang out outside the pool.
What about using the Saint James? Or another indoor facility? Or just get rid of parents all together. Parents just make everything worse. If you want to see the meet, you volunteer. Otherwise, stay home and watch the livestream. I heard it was good.
I like the ticket idea. Give each swimmer a certain number per event.
You'd need marshals to enforce it, and because volunteers are supplied proportionally you'd still rely on D1 parents to not be aholes
There’s probably some way to do this that isn’t a nightmare. Got a year to think about it!
At this point, I think the 'prize' for winning should be hosting the following year or providing a host. Maybe Chesterbrook can breakout the checkbook and convince Spring Board
It’s a 2 year commitment so Hamlet has it next year. Hopefully more people were appreciative than not.
Please show kindness towards Orange Hunt.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:37
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hamlet volunteered because guess what - NO OTHER POOL STEPPED UP.
So if they had not had it - it would have been virtual again. The league is still volunteers and a lot of the senior leadership left and never trained replacements. Did not even occur to them.
I actually like your idea of an entrance fee - $50 a team with part of the money going for port a potties/bleachers/water stations, etc. And part of it going to the host team to make money - because concession sales will be great, but added money is better.
The league already pays for those.
The same entry fee whether you have 1 or 20 relay entries?
Of course not. You charge a fee per team. Perhaps it is $20 per team in the event. That would be 8K to the host pool. If you divide the event amongst pools you divide the amount. This would be the rental fee.
Ok. The PP wrote “50 a team”.
The NVSL already contributes $. I think it is in the $7.5k to 8k range.
Honestly if All Star Relays is just a big D1 pissing match we should just make them pay. they certainly have the money.
They do in a way. Each division sends volunteers in proportion to the number of teams they send. D1 has to provide a large staff for the meet. It's only fair, but if there is monetary contribution, it should follow the same model. D1 will pay more, other divisions less.
Actually, they don’t. Division 1 was asked to send 6 volunteers (1 RTo/timer, 2 timers, 1 clerk of course, 2 turn end RTOs) and they didn’t fill all of them. They are asked to provide 1/6 of what’s asked for but have about 30% of the entries.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:31
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
This was our first ASR. My only complaint, and I heard from several others, was the walk to and from the team area to the pool. It wasn't so much the mud or dirt, but that it was steep and rough terrain with tree roots, etc. I saw someone almost fall. I had a boot on my foot and it was really hard for me to walk up and down the path. I asked if there was a way to walk through the streets to get to the team area, but I was told I could but it was really roundabout and would drop me off on the other side of the school. I could have parked myself in the pool area, but I wanted to spend time with the kids in the team area.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:25
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was there. Div 2 team with a lot of relays participating. I had 3 kids swimming in 6 events. I applaud Hamlet for stepping up. All of their volunteers did the best they could, especially the marshals running the bleachers. The drop-off area was great. It was brutally hot, but there was plenty of space for teams to hang out. The clerk of course was at least in the shade.
If parents would follow the rules and get out when their kids aren't swimming, it would have made everything better. The bleachers were tight but there was enough room for each event if people would move. Maybe they give out tickets for each event and you need one to be in the spectator area. Otherwise, you hang out outside the pool.
What about using the Saint James? Or another indoor facility? Or just get rid of parents all together. Parents just make everything worse. If you want to see the meet, you volunteer. Otherwise, stay home and watch the livestream. I heard it was good.
I like the ticket idea. Give each swimmer a certain number per event.
(And it would lend to the “carnival” theme
But honestly this could totally work. Don’t have to make it complicated, just no ticket no seat, and move along after an event. Max 2 tickets per event per swimmer?
Anonymous
07/14/2022 15:23
Subject: All-Star Relays -- Why Was the NVSLs Premier Event Such a Disaster
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was there. Div 2 team with a lot of relays participating. I had 3 kids swimming in 6 events. I applaud Hamlet for stepping up. All of their volunteers did the best they could, especially the marshals running the bleachers. The drop-off area was great. It was brutally hot, but there was plenty of space for teams to hang out. The clerk of course was at least in the shade.
If parents would follow the rules and get out when their kids aren't swimming, it would have made everything better. The bleachers were tight but there was enough room for each event if people would move. Maybe they give out tickets for each event and you need one to be in the spectator area. Otherwise, you hang out outside the pool.
What about using the Saint James? Or another indoor facility? Or just get rid of parents all together. Parents just make everything worse. If you want to see the meet, you volunteer. Otherwise, stay home and watch the livestream. I heard it was good.
I like the ticket idea. Give each swimmer a certain number per event.
You'd need marshals to enforce it, and because volunteers are supplied proportionally you'd still rely on D1 parents to not be aholes
There’s probably some way to do this that isn’t a nightmare. Got a year to think about it!
At this point, I think the 'prize' for winning should be hosting the following year or providing a host. Maybe Chesterbrook can breakout the checkbook and convince Spring Board