And now DeSantis wants to make a Hillsdale in Florida. Just what is needed, another Hillsdale.

Hard to make generalizations. Teachers in Chicago Public Schools, a woeful system, average 18/19 on the ACT. Lots of conclusions one can draw, and not all negative. Is this a score one expects (in general) for an AP Chemistry teacher? Not likely. But a person with this profile could be effective as an elementary teacher if they have good connection skills. By the way, the system still has a number of white teachers so the racial angle isn't really relevant. One fifth of the teachers in the state of Illinois come from Illinois State and it would be helpful to really understand the rigor that school requires. Hillsdale's narrative doesn't make much sense or is helpful. I do note that URM pass rates on teacher licensure exams still lag. Again, I question the nature of the tests. An AP math teacher has different challenges than a special ed teacher. My guess is there is a shortage of truly competent in both roles. Tests won't get at the shortage.

Schools are fluid. My brother was a graduate assistant coach at UVa while earning his Phd in Econ on a NSF fellowship. He was a professor there for a short time thereafter. This was in the 80's. Way too many athletes were being shoved into Education - it lacked rigor. It raised issues with faculty. The school changed the situation, radically altering the standards so the Education major became fairly challenging. Purdue now guarantees its grads will all pass the licensing exams. Of course they do this by winnowing only qualifying students. Agree or disagree with this practice, but it's graduates have gone through rigor. Again, sweeping narratives don't help.

Anonymous wrote: The President of Hillsdale College recently says that URM students become education majors because these majors are “easy” and “you don’t have to know anything”. He also said that public school teachers are trained in “the dumbest part of the dumbest colleges”. Fact check: 75% of teachers are white, and almost 75% are women. But let’s not let facts get in the way of stunningly racist, classist and sexist comments, when the National Review is cheering him on.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/larry-arnn-is-right-about-education-majors/

Do you agree with him? Are out public school teachers low performing dimwits who can’t hack it doing anything else? Would you send a kid to Hillsdale knowing this is their attitude towards URM (and white women, who are the vast majority of teachers?) Would you hire a teacher trained at Hillsdale, knowing this is their attitude towards education managers?

I vote that Larry Arnn be assigned a group of 1st graders from a Title 1 school, told to teach them for a year via DL, and be blamed if they don’t make academic and SEL and progress. What a tool.

This is crazy talk but there is some truth to it as teaching is a low paying job and easy to find, which makes it a last resort for people who can't figure out better alternatives. Not to disrespect smart teachers who choose to be educators, its a mix bundle. That being said, things aren't that different in private schools either.

Hillsdale VP was all in on the January 6 coup.

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't believe anything said by Hillsdale. Those people are scary.

https://www.nationalreview.com/1999/11/horror-hillsdale-john-j-miller/

Let's be honest here.. in the lower grades, like ES, teachers aren't highly educated nor do they go to top tier colleges, but then they also aren't paid a lot. If this country paid their teachers a fraction of the average salary of the major profiessional athletes got paid, you would see a lot more "smarter" people going into early education.

For the upper grades, typically STEM teachers have STEM degrees. My HSer's math teacher has a masters in math; DC's ES math teacher had a BS in chemistry. Both were awesome math teachers.

This guy should put his money where his mouth is and pay teachers more if he expects better quality teachers.

I wouldn't believe anything said by Hillsdale. Those people are scary.

“The president of Michigan’s Hillsdale College was riding high earlier this year when he announced plans to launch 50 charter schools in Tennessee after Gov. Bill Lee originally asked for 100.

Six months later, that relationship has cooled after Hillsdale’s Larry Arnn made disparaging comments about educators, telling an audience including Lee that teachers “are trained in the dumbest parts of the dumbest colleges.”
https://apnews.com/article/education-michigan-tennessee-school-boards-charter-schools-a2b74cf802f8256e2227497fe27ddde0

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Anonymous wrote:Getting a degree from a university that isn't worth the sheepskin it is printed on, it doesn't matter how much or how little debt the graduate has.

A Hillsdale degree with barely worth more than a Liberty degree.

Certainly any public in Virginia has a better reputation, and same with Michigan.

A Hillsdale BA paired with a Liberty JD seems like a great way to get a clerkship

Not a federal one. And very few state. Plus, the only had 41 grads reporting employment

https://www.liberty.edu/law/wp-content/uploads/sites/83/2021/04/PlacementEmployment-199-196-04-08-2021-10-30-02_Final.pdf

Anonymous wrote:Getting a degree from a university that isn't worth the sheepskin it is printed on, it doesn't matter how much or how little debt the graduate has.

A Hillsdale degree with barely worth more than a Liberty degree.

Certainly any public in Virginia has a better reputation, and same with Michigan.

A Hillsdale BA paired with a Liberty JD seems like a great way to get a clerkship

Anonymous wrote:Getting a degree from a university that isn't worth the sheepskin it is printed on, it doesn't matter how much or how little debt the graduate has.

A Hillsdale degree with barely worth more than a Liberty degree.

Certainly any public in Virginia has a better reputation, and same with Michigan.

Plus, Hillsdale was very enmeshed with the Trump Admin. That was great for then in 2019 when there grads weren’t being hired for senior political jobs and DeVos ran education policy. But, I don’t think it’s going to be good for them in the long run.

Getting a degree from a university that isn't worth the sheepskin it is printed on, it doesn't matter how much or how little debt the graduate has.

A Hillsdale degree with barely worth more than a Liberty degree.

Certainly any public in Virginia has a better reputation, and same with Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.

No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.

No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections

Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.

omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?

Where did you pull this disinfo from?

DP. And God Lord. I’m beginning to see how Trump got elected. The rubes really will believe anything. I don’t know the source PP used. Hillsdale reported to USNWR that for the Class of 2020, they met 60% of demonstrated need, not full need. 38% of grads had loans, with the average loan being over $33,000.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/hillsdale-college-2272/paying

An article in the Hillsdale student paper put the average loan amount at about $26k— but that was in 2017. I didn’t see a percent of students in the article.

https://hillsdalecollegian.com/2017/11/hillsdale-college-among-top-10-for-lowest-student-debt-the-school-ranked-sixth-for-schools-with-the-lowest-amount-of-debt-per-student-according-to-lendedu/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHillsdale%20College%20gives%20the%20average,year%20decrease%20of%205.92%20percent.%E2%80%9D

Hillsdale students take out loans. And they do so on much less favorable terms than colleges that use federal loans. Not because they use shady lenders, but because they are loans from a for profit institutions. The federal government doesn’t need to make a profit on student loans, and uses taxpayer money to subsidize low income students and give Pell grants. For profit lenders have to, you know, maximize profit. The is Common Sense Capitalism 101.

I know you feel like an idiot after the nasty snip about Dems loving student loan debt. But your facts were wrong. Move on and the next time you decide to make sweeping statements like every single student is debt free despite the high cost of college, spend three minutes on Google and verify. In fact, get on Google now and type in “Hillsdale College student loan debt”. You might learn something.

Not only is their % of BA students with debt very low (38% vs 63% nationally), median debt of $33K is low for a private BA. Median debt for all BAs is nearly $32K in 2022. And with Hillsdale's robust fundraising, I would bet both that % and median debt sum decline, while they both grow at all public universities. You have an axe to grind and there's no there there. Liberty, yes, it's a scam school. Hillsdale is an excellent college.

Cool. All of that debt is unsubsidized loans at far higher interest rates than necessary (and that's ignoring the kids who would have gotten pell grants, but couldnt). They seem perfectly happy to take government money for charter schools, but they stand on principle when it comes to students going into debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

Breeding ground for radical Christian fundamentalists who want this country to be a theocracy.

But the Hillsdale defender here is super sensitive about it and will report posts that outs it for what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?

Never heard of it.

Guess I need to Google.

It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.

No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.

No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections

Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.

omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?

Where did you pull this disinfo from?

DP. And God Lord. I’m beginning to see how Trump got elected. The rubes really will believe anything. I don’t know the source PP used. Hillsdale reported to USNWR that for the Class of 2020, they met 60% of demonstrated need, not full need. 38% of grads had loans, with the average loan being over $33,000.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/hillsdale-college-2272/paying

An article in the Hillsdale student paper put the average loan amount at about $26k— but that was in 2017. I didn’t see a percent of students in the article.

https://hillsdalecollegian.com/2017/11/hillsdale-college-among-top-10-for-lowest-student-debt-the-school-ranked-sixth-for-schools-with-the-lowest-amount-of-debt-per-student-according-to-lendedu/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHillsdale%20College%20gives%20the%20average,year%20decrease%20of%205.92%20percent.%E2%80%9D

Hillsdale students take out loans. And they do so on much less favorable terms than colleges that use federal loans. Not because they use shady lenders, but because they are loans from a for profit institutions. The federal government doesn’t need to make a profit on student loans, and uses taxpayer money to subsidize low income students and give Pell grants. For profit lenders have to, you know, maximize profit. The is Common Sense Capitalism 101.

I know you feel like an idiot after the nasty snip about Dems loving student loan debt. But your facts were wrong. Move on and the next time you decide to make sweeping statements like every single student is debt free despite the high cost of college, spend three minutes on Google and verify. In fact, get on Google now and type in “Hillsdale College student loan debt”. You might learn something.

Not only is their % of BA students with debt very low (38% vs 63% nationally), median debt of $33K is low for a private BA. Median debt for all BAs is nearly $32K in 2022. And with Hillsdale's robust fundraising, I would bet both that % and median debt sum decline, while they both grow at all public universities. You have an axe to grind and there's no there there. Liberty, yes, it's a scam school. Hillsdale is an excellent college.

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