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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, sweet summer child…things got very, very ugly over the last 2 years. I won’t give details of the offenses because I don’t want to make myself identifiable. Some of my colleagues were very publicly harassed, to the point of having to file restraining orders. Admin is terrified of parents and looks the other way.
This shortage isn’t about the superintendent or hiring practices (although mcps has a long history of preferring to hire brand new teachers), this is teacher burnout en masse.

Harassment is never ok and I genuinely sympathize with teachers that are burned out. The kids are burned out too. It's funny, the union always says what is good for teachers is good for kids but somehow they don't seem to believe in the reverse.

I read this three times and still have no clue what you were trying to say

I'm saying the union spent a long time arguing that what is good for teachers is good for kids, but they didn't want to understand that what is good for kids (in person schooling) would be good for teachers. Hopefully we won't repeat this in the future and further decimate our public school system.

You've seen great resignations in different job fields all over America, watched parents harass teachers for two years, and this is the conclusion you drew? Got it

So are teachers resigning because they have to work in person or because parents are harassing them? Or could there possibly be multiple factors, including the difficulty of teaching kids after a year+ of virtual instruction?

I think a lot of teachers during the pandemic realized that their quality of life could be greatly improved by not being a teacher, for many reasons. One of which is that WFH is a beautiful thing that does not work for teachers during non emergency times. I'm sure a lot of teachers sought out WFH jobs with more flexibility and better pay after this year, and I can't blame them.

It doesn't really matter how well paying a school district is when pay still isn't really comparable to other fields with similar experience and more flexible hours. Teachers do their job often for the service aspect; once parents started trashing them it really took the heart out of that part.

I’m curious- what better paying, more flexible jobs are teachers leaving for? My cousin with an education degree decided a few years ago they didn’t want to teach and went to work for a textbook company, but I don’t know how common those types of jobs are.

Maybe a job where you can use the restroom according to your own needs, go off site for lunch, and schedule a doctor’s visit.

It's like y'all didn't know what you were signing up for.

The job is vastly different than it used to be. My mom was a teacher. She retired after 31 yrs. She used to teach from the various teacher's manuals. No lesson planning required. The grading was just a weekly spelling test and a math or science/social studies test every few weeks. She used to let me grade the spelling tests over the weekend. I went to her school and other than one faculty meeting each month, that was it for after school commitments. Poorly behaved students were dealt with at the office and sometimes sent home. The job was a cakewalk compared to when she retired. She used to leave her class alone to make copies down the hall or use the bathroom. They had an hour for lunch so she would sometimes go home to let our dog out and eat lunch.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS doesn't actually want experienced, expensive teachers. It wants to hire cheap, impressionable young teachers.

Really? My friends daughter graduated Magna Cum Laude from college this spring with a degree in elementary education. Excellent reviews from her student teaching. A very smart, well spoken and engaging young lady. I could not believe how many jobs she was turned down for. I thought any elementary school in the county would grab her up quickly but instead she was turned down multiple times. I was shocked. All I could think was- "I guess MCPS doesn't want to hire smart, talented, highly motivated young teachers." Fortunately, she's now been offered a teaching position in the county, but she was just about to start looking at Howard and Fairfax. I was absolutely dumbfounded.

Sorry to hear about your friend's daughter but I think it just goes to show that there isn't really a shortage just another fictional point of grievance to complain about.

Yep, if they had real vacancies to fill, this wouldn't be true.

With the big decline in enrollment they were overstaffed so it kind of makes sense.

They wouldn't be turning away so many top-notch applicants if there were a real shortage. This is just more sky is falling hype.

Your post is total BS. MCPS is turning away top-notch applicants??? That’s why over 500 teacher positions were un-filled this school year???

They turned me away, in a sense. I was offered a position for far, far less than existing MCPS teachers with the same experience.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS doesn't actually want experienced, expensive teachers. It wants to hire cheap, impressionable young teachers.

Really? My friends daughter graduated Magna Cum Laude from college this spring with a degree in elementary education. Excellent reviews from her student teaching. A very smart, well spoken and engaging young lady. I could not believe how many jobs she was turned down for. I thought any elementary school in the county would grab her up quickly but instead she was turned down multiple times. I was shocked. All I could think was- "I guess MCPS doesn't want to hire smart, talented, highly motivated young teachers." Fortunately, she's now been offered a teaching position in the county, but she was just about to start looking at Howard and Fairfax. I was absolutely dumbfounded.

Sorry to hear about your friend's daughter but I think it just goes to show that there isn't really a shortage just another fictional point of grievance to complain about.

Yep, if they had real vacancies to fill, this wouldn't be true.

With the big decline in enrollment they were overstaffed so it kind of makes sense.

They wouldn't be turning away so many top-notch applicants if there were a real shortage. This is just more sky is falling hype.

Your post is total BS. MCPS is turning away top-notch applicants??? That’s why over 500 teacher positions were un-filled this school year???

We do now what we signed up for. The last 2+ years has been much, much harder. The lack of support/pay/respect makes the position makes the role less sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, sweet summer child…things got very, very ugly over the last 2 years. I won’t give details of the offenses because I don’t want to make myself identifiable. Some of my colleagues were very publicly harassed, to the point of having to file restraining orders. Admin is terrified of parents and looks the other way.
This shortage isn’t about the superintendent or hiring practices (although mcps has a long history of preferring to hire brand new teachers), this is teacher burnout en masse.

Harassment is never ok and I genuinely sympathize with teachers that are burned out. The kids are burned out too. It's funny, the union always says what is good for teachers is good for kids but somehow they don't seem to believe in the reverse.

I read this three times and still have no clue what you were trying to say

I'm saying the union spent a long time arguing that what is good for teachers is good for kids, but they didn't want to understand that what is good for kids (in person schooling) would be good for teachers. Hopefully we won't repeat this in the future and further decimate our public school system.

You've seen great resignations in different job fields all over America, watched parents harass teachers for two years, and this is the conclusion you drew? Got it

So are teachers resigning because they have to work in person or because parents are harassing them? Or could there possibly be multiple factors, including the difficulty of teaching kids after a year+ of virtual instruction?

I think a lot of teachers during the pandemic realized that their quality of life could be greatly improved by not being a teacher, for many reasons. One of which is that WFH is a beautiful thing that does not work for teachers during non emergency times. I'm sure a lot of teachers sought out WFH jobs with more flexibility and better pay after this year, and I can't blame them.

It doesn't really matter how well paying a school district is when pay still isn't really comparable to other fields with similar experience and more flexible hours. Teachers do their job often for the service aspect; once parents started trashing them it really took the heart out of that part.

I’m curious- what better paying, more flexible jobs are teachers leaving for? My cousin with an education degree decided a few years ago they didn’t want to teach and went to work for a textbook company, but I don’t know how common those types of jobs are.

Maybe a job where you can use the restroom according to your own needs, go off site for lunch, and schedule a doctor’s visit.

It's like y'all didn't know what you were signing up for.

You realize if there was no in person school or teachers, you'd actually have to take care of your kids more than a few hours a day at best.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS doesn't actually want experienced, expensive teachers. It wants to hire cheap, impressionable young teachers.

Really? My friends daughter graduated Magna Cum Laude from college this spring with a degree in elementary education. Excellent reviews from her student teaching. A very smart, well spoken and engaging young lady. I could not believe how many jobs she was turned down for. I thought any elementary school in the county would grab her up quickly but instead she was turned down multiple times. I was shocked. All I could think was- "I guess MCPS doesn't want to hire smart, talented, highly motivated young teachers." Fortunately, she's now been offered a teaching position in the county, but she was just about to start looking at Howard and Fairfax. I was absolutely dumbfounded.

Sorry to hear about your friend's daughter but I think it just goes to show that there isn't really a shortage just another fictional point of grievance to complain about.

Yep, if they had real vacancies to fill, this wouldn't be true.

With the big decline in enrollment they were overstaffed so it kind of makes sense.

They wouldn't be turning away so many top-notch applicants if there were a real shortage. This is just more sky is falling hype.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, sweet summer child…things got very, very ugly over the last 2 years. I won’t give details of the offenses because I don’t want to make myself identifiable. Some of my colleagues were very publicly harassed, to the point of having to file restraining orders. Admin is terrified of parents and looks the other way.
This shortage isn’t about the superintendent or hiring practices (although mcps has a long history of preferring to hire brand new teachers), this is teacher burnout en masse.

Harassment is never ok and I genuinely sympathize with teachers that are burned out. The kids are burned out too. It's funny, the union always says what is good for teachers is good for kids but somehow they don't seem to believe in the reverse.

I read this three times and still have no clue what you were trying to say

I'm saying the union spent a long time arguing that what is good for teachers is good for kids, but they didn't want to understand that what is good for kids (in person schooling) would be good for teachers. Hopefully we won't repeat this in the future and further decimate our public school system.

You've seen great resignations in different job fields all over America, watched parents harass teachers for two years, and this is the conclusion you drew? Got it

So are teachers resigning because they have to work in person or because parents are harassing them? Or could there possibly be multiple factors, including the difficulty of teaching kids after a year+ of virtual instruction?

I think a lot of teachers during the pandemic realized that their quality of life could be greatly improved by not being a teacher, for many reasons. One of which is that WFH is a beautiful thing that does not work for teachers during non emergency times. I'm sure a lot of teachers sought out WFH jobs with more flexibility and better pay after this year, and I can't blame them.

It doesn't really matter how well paying a school district is when pay still isn't really comparable to other fields with similar experience and more flexible hours. Teachers do their job often for the service aspect; once parents started trashing them it really took the heart out of that part.

I’m curious- what better paying, more flexible jobs are teachers leaving for? My cousin with an education degree decided a few years ago they didn’t want to teach and went to work for a textbook company, but I don’t know how common those types of jobs are.

Maybe a job where you can use the restroom according to your own needs, go off site for lunch, and schedule a doctor’s visit.

It's like y'all didn't know what you were signing up for.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, sweet summer child…things got very, very ugly over the last 2 years. I won’t give details of the offenses because I don’t want to make myself identifiable. Some of my colleagues were very publicly harassed, to the point of having to file restraining orders. Admin is terrified of parents and looks the other way.
This shortage isn’t about the superintendent or hiring practices (although mcps has a long history of preferring to hire brand new teachers), this is teacher burnout en masse.

Harassment is never ok and I genuinely sympathize with teachers that are burned out. The kids are burned out too. It's funny, the union always says what is good for teachers is good for kids but somehow they don't seem to believe in the reverse.

I read this three times and still have no clue what you were trying to say

I'm saying the union spent a long time arguing that what is good for teachers is good for kids, but they didn't want to understand that what is good for kids (in person schooling) would be good for teachers. Hopefully we won't repeat this in the future and further decimate our public school system.

Yawn. Yes, school will be virtual in the next pandemic (or another severe, vaccine-resistant spike of this one). Plan accordingly.

No, it will not, sadly. We'll just keep having surges like we did last year and ignore them. MCPS did a cr@p job with covid this year.

I don't think in person during a surge is good for anyone. Thank goodness for virtual. It was stable, consistent and no worries of getting covid.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren't special. There is a labor shortage everywhere. Contrary to popular belief, there is no "great resignation"; instead, it is the "great swap". People are switching careers. Also, there was always a teacher shortage and we made it work. When these "teachers" can't find a job that lets them get off at 3:00 or 4:00 and have summers off. Just resign if you're going to so parents and the school board can plan.

Keep running your ignorant mouth this way. It’s going to go so very well for you and your kids. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is leaving mostly because of the parents.

So is my wife.

What did parents do or say that was different this year? If parents were inappropriate, why didn't the administration back your wives up?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, sweet summer child…things got very, very ugly over the last 2 years. I won’t give details of the offenses because I don’t want to make myself identifiable. Some of my colleagues were very publicly harassed, to the point of having to file restraining orders. Admin is terrified of parents and looks the other way.
This shortage isn’t about the superintendent or hiring practices (although mcps has a long history of preferring to hire brand new teachers), this is teacher burnout en masse.

Harassment is never ok and I genuinely sympathize with teachers that are burned out. The kids are burned out too. It's funny, the union always says what is good for teachers is good for kids but somehow they don't seem to believe in the reverse.

I read this three times and still have no clue what you were trying to say

I'm saying the union spent a long time arguing that what is good for teachers is good for kids, but they didn't want to understand that what is good for kids (in person schooling) would be good for teachers. Hopefully we won't repeat this in the future and further decimate our public school system.

Yawn. Yes, school will be virtual in the next pandemic (or another severe, vaccine-resistant spike of this one). Plan accordingly.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren't special. There is a labor shortage everywhere. Contrary to popular belief, there is no "great resignation"; instead, it is the "great swap". People are switching careers. Also, there was always a teacher shortage and we made it work. When these "teachers" can't find a job that lets them get off at 3:00 or 4:00 and have summers off. Just resign if you're going to so parents and the school board can plan.

Let me say - you're a total tool. No, you're worse than that. You're Central Office material.

Yes, teachers are *very* special. Teachers are, for the most part, idealists. They believe in the future generations. They want to make a difference. Teachers teach because they care about kids. Period.

Any schmuck can sit behind a desk and type, but try spending a year with 30 kids AND trying to teach each and every kid something new each and every day. Think a pay raise will make a difference when a teacher becomes demoralized and the spark is gone? Nope. Teacher's don't take a teaching job if their heart isn't in the work anymore. They teach to see eyes light up and smiles on kids faces. When that's not happening or it's too hard for them to do their jobs, it's just no fun anymore.

Think you can fill those slots easily? Maybe with people with a pulse, but I'll bet that you'll hire a lot of people who shouldn't be teaching at all - and watch the stacks of parent complaints jump even higher than they are now. Real teachers are pros who know how to handle kids and their parents. Not something that's easy to do when you're on the front lines of a classroom wearing a smile everyday.

If you don't get that, then if you work for MCPS, then YOU (not the teachers) should be quitting.

Administrators move around and received undeserved promotions while teachers can’t get a pay increase to keep up with inflation. Moral is real low right now so those who can go elsewhere are. That sometimes means leaving the profession altogether or going to another district. MCPS is being run into the ground by Central Office.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren't special. There is a labor shortage everywhere. Contrary to popular belief, there is no "great resignation"; instead, it is the "great swap". People are switching careers. Also, there was always a teacher shortage and we made it work. When these "teachers" can't find a job that lets them get off at 3:00 or 4:00 and have summers off. Just resign if you're going to so parents and the school board can plan.

No one said teachers are special. They are probably leaving so they don’t have to deal with morons such as yourself though.

This.
I just finished a school year filled with 70 hour weeks. I couldn’t get any of my work done at work because I was always covering classes during my planning periods. (Why was I doing that? Staffing shortages.) I’m about to spend my entire summer in classes I paid for to maintain my certification. I’m also writing curriculum for free. I would LOVE to know where I can get this “off at 3:00 or 4:00 job.”

It is EXACTLY attitudes like the one above that make good teachers want to leave.

Teaching.. the job where everyone has an opinion… the public needs them (as evidenced from the pandemic) but at the same time, feel zero shame bashing them whenever they feel the need. It’s seriously a thankless job.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren't special. There is a labor shortage everywhere. Contrary to popular belief, there is no "great resignation"; instead, it is the "great swap". People are switching careers. Also, there was always a teacher shortage and we made it work. When these "teachers" can't find a job that lets them get off at 3:00 or 4:00 and have summers off. Just resign if you're going to so parents and the school board can plan.

No one said teachers are special. They are probably leaving so they don’t have to deal with morons such as yourself though.

This.
I just finished a school year filled with 70 hour weeks. I couldn’t get any of my work done at work because I was always covering classes during my planning periods. (Why was I doing that? Staffing shortages.) I’m about to spend my entire summer in classes I paid for to maintain my certification. I’m also writing curriculum for free. I would LOVE to know where I can get this “off at 3:00 or 4:00 job.”

It is EXACTLY attitudes like the one above that make good teachers want to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers aren't special. There is a labor shortage everywhere. Contrary to popular belief, there is no "great resignation"; instead, it is the "great swap". People are switching careers. Also, there was always a teacher shortage and we made it work. When these "teachers" can't find a job that lets them get off at 3:00 or 4:00 and have summers off. Just resign if you're going to so parents and the school board can plan.

No one said teachers are special. They are probably leaving so they don’t have to deal with morons such as yourself though.

Teachers actually are special. They are doing one of the most important jobs in society and everyone craps on them. We will have complained and nit picked ourselves out of teachers. You realize they don’t get paid for the summer time off AND they spend many evenings, weekends and holidays doing unpaid work for kids who’s parents in turn ignore or complain about what they do. This next generation is gonna be a hot mess.

This. They are also doing a job you will not do. Most couldn't even handle their kids in virtual for a year.