Anonymous
07/27/2022 16:05
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The infrastructure bill passed last fall contains $7.5 billion (yes, that’s billion) to help states build out the charging infrastructure. States are now in the proposal stage, so we won’t see this happen for a few more years. The good news is that many states are coordinating so that, for example, you won’t see chargers within 30 feet of each side of the state border, but instead you’ll see them spread 30-50 miles apart.
I don't think the electricity grids are ready for this. Think about the brown outs in TX and CA. What happens if there are power outs due to storms?
Ummm you can't use gas pumps either if the grid goes down. Stations will have backup generators, but once they go you can't pump because they too require electricity.
Look,.EVs require more elbow grease for now. But it will improve. Gas is now $5/gallon and at a the mercy of all sorts of geopolitical crap in an increasingly hostile world.
If only gas stations had access to fuel to run their generators…
There are different types of fuel. What you put in your car isn’t the same as what you put in generators.
AND there are different generators for the different types of fuel, including both gasoline and diesel. Or natural gas, which we use for our generator.
Lots of options for gas stations - if they plan ahead.
The long-term question is if the trucks can still deliver. Probably somewhere in the whole supply chain something will go wrong during a massive power failure.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 16:04
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The infrastructure bill passed last fall contains $7.5 billion (yes, that’s billion) to help states build out the charging infrastructure. States are now in the proposal stage, so we won’t see this happen for a few more years. The good news is that many states are coordinating so that, for example, you won’t see chargers within 30 feet of each side of the state border, but instead you’ll see them spread 30-50 miles apart.
I don't think the electricity grids are ready for this. Think about the brown outs in TX and CA. What happens if there are power outs due to storms?
Ummm you can't use gas pumps either if the grid goes down. Stations will have backup generators, but once they go you can't pump because they too require electricity.
Look,.EVs require more elbow grease for now. But it will improve. Gas is now $5/gallon and at a the mercy of all sorts of geopolitical crap in an increasingly hostile world.
If only gas stations had access to fuel to run their generators…
There are different types of fuel. What you put in your car isn’t the same as what you put in generators.
+1 We got a quote for a generator and we needed either natural gas, which is in the street but not piped to our house, or propane.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 15:20
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The infrastructure bill passed last fall contains $7.5 billion (yes, that’s billion) to help states build out the charging infrastructure. States are now in the proposal stage, so we won’t see this happen for a few more years. The good news is that many states are coordinating so that, for example, you won’t see chargers within 30 feet of each side of the state border, but instead you’ll see them spread 30-50 miles apart.
I don't think the electricity grids are ready for this. Think about the brown outs in TX and CA. What happens if there are power outs due to storms?
Ummm you can't use gas pumps either if the grid goes down. Stations will have backup generators, but once they go you can't pump because they too require electricity.
Look,.EVs require more elbow grease for now. But it will improve. Gas is now $5/gallon and at a the mercy of all sorts of geopolitical crap in an increasingly hostile world.
If only gas stations had access to fuel to run their generators…
There are different types of fuel. What you put in your car isn’t the same as what you put in generators.
Anonymous
07/26/2022 18:41
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Love our electric Kia Niro!
Anonymous
07/26/2022 18:09
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The infrastructure bill passed last fall contains $7.5 billion (yes, that’s billion) to help states build out the charging infrastructure. States are now in the proposal stage, so we won’t see this happen for a few more years. The good news is that many states are coordinating so that, for example, you won’t see chargers within 30 feet of each side of the state border, but instead you’ll see them spread 30-50 miles apart.
I don't think the electricity grids are ready for this. Think about the brown outs in TX and CA. What happens if there are power outs due to storms?
Ummm you can't use gas pumps either if the grid goes down. Stations will have backup generators, but once they go you can't pump because they too require electricity.
Look,.EVs require more elbow grease for now. But it will improve. Gas is now $5/gallon and at a the mercy of all sorts of geopolitical crap in an increasingly hostile world.
If only gas stations had access to fuel to run their generators…
Anonymous
07/26/2022 11:35
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
tesla is still the best, at least 5-7 years ahead in tech of all others
Anonymous
07/26/2022 11:35
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
we are on the list for an EV6, should have one by sept/oct.
We've test driven tesla, ID4, Ioniq, and the kia. Couldn't find a mustang anywhere for test drive. We liked tesla a lot but are also fed up w musk. Liked the ID4 but liked the kia better. I wanted to like the hyundai because it's super well reviewed but I think it's incredibly ugly and Couldn't quite get over that.
We've test driven tesla, ID4, Ioniq, and the kia. Couldn't find a mustang anywhere for test drive. We liked tesla a lot but are also fed up w musk. Liked the ID4 but liked the kia better. I wanted to like the hyundai because it's super well reviewed but I think it's incredibly ugly and Couldn't quite get over that.
Anonymous
06/25/2022 11:22
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody has mentioned the VW eGolf yet… we love ours. Got it a few years ago- in stock at the dealer for 24K, $7500 tax rebate still available.
It’s great! Looks just like a regular Golf but it’s electric. Fast acceleration, fun to drive.
Can't get 'em anymore, though -- a used 2019 one costs more than a new Bolt. There are no new ones available, since 2019 was the last year they sold them here, and so the tax credit is irrelevant, too. I'd love to get one, would be the perfect second car to replace an old ICE one we have.
Replaced by Id.3 which is not sold in the US.
Right — we have an ID.4 and a 12-year-old subcompact ICE car. E-Golf or ID.3 would be perfect replacement for second car for us. Bolt EV is really the only small electric car under $30,000 right now, so I guess that’s what we may look at when we decide to swap out the old one.
Anonymous
06/24/2022 23:48
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Add the Mustang to your list since it basically has the same size and form as a model Y.
This comment didn't age well:
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/ford-mustang-mach-e-recall-power-loss-while-driving-a1045432287/
Mustang not available now after recall until at least Q3. My MIL has been waiting since last fall and hers is sitting on the lot, but they won't let her take delivery. She's super disappointed. I think she ordered the Mustang to spite me because I have a Tesla and she didn't want me to be "right." I still feel bad for her. She has been waiting forever.
Anonymous
06/24/2022 23:38
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Kia Sorento plug in hybrid is great!
Anonymous
06/24/2022 23:32
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:2023 Blazer is electric
Good luck with that.
Anonymous
06/24/2022 23:31
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody has mentioned the VW eGolf yet… we love ours. Got it a few years ago- in stock at the dealer for 24K, $7500 tax rebate still available.
It’s great! Looks just like a regular Golf but it’s electric. Fast acceleration, fun to drive.
Can't get 'em anymore, though -- a used 2019 one costs more than a new Bolt. There are no new ones available, since 2019 was the last year they sold them here, and so the tax credit is irrelevant, too. I'd love to get one, would be the perfect second car to replace an old ICE one we have.
Replaced by Id.3 which is not sold in the US.
Anonymous
06/24/2022 23:03
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
There is a wait for all EVs.
Anonymous
06/24/2022 22:56
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
2023 Blazer is electric
Anonymous
06/24/2022 20:40
Subject: Fed Up w/Tesla--What are Other Good EV's to Consider?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The infrastructure bill passed last fall contains $7.5 billion (yes, that’s billion) to help states build out the charging infrastructure. States are now in the proposal stage, so we won’t see this happen for a few more years. The good news is that many states are coordinating so that, for example, you won’t see chargers within 30 feet of each side of the state border, but instead you’ll see them spread 30-50 miles apart.
I don't think the electricity grids are ready for this. Think about the brown outs in TX and CA. What happens if there are power outs due to storms?
Ummm you can't use gas pumps either if the grid goes down. Stations will have backup generators, but once they go you can't pump because they too require electricity.
Look,.EVs require more elbow grease for now. But it will improve. Gas is now $5/gallon and at a the mercy of all sorts of geopolitical crap in an increasingly hostile world.