Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 17:34     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMU at best is a second-tier in-state option, solidly behind UVA, WM, and VT. They are only getting the average/below average students from NOVA. It's still a commuter school (see OP's post). No amount of boosting is going to change that fact. GMU's peer schools are Radford, ODU, and JMU.


This is so not true. A computer science degree from GMU (as well as many other degrees) are superior to same degree from Radford and ODU. While most degrees are probably on par with JMU, com sci and engineering are superior at GMU.


I don't understand these GMU's boosters. They told us college name doesn't matter then went on to tell us GMU was somewhat superior to Radford or ODU. Which is it? Does the school name matter or not?


School name itself doen't mean much for the most part.
School name and major/proram together matters.

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 17:18     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMU at best is a second-tier in-state option, solidly behind UVA, WM, and VT. They are only getting the average/below average students from NOVA. It's still a commuter school (see OP's post). No amount of boosting is going to change that fact. GMU's peer schools are Radford, ODU, and JMU.


This is so not true. A computer science degree from GMU (as well as many other degrees) are superior to same degree from Radford and ODU. While most degrees are probably on par with JMU, com sci and engineering are superior at GMU.


I don't understand these GMU's boosters. They told us college name doesn't matter then went on to tell us GMU was somewhat superior to Radford or ODU. Which is it? Does the school name matter or not?
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:58     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:GMU at best is a second-tier in-state option, solidly behind UVA, WM, and VT. They are only getting the average/below average students from NOVA. It's still a commuter school (see OP's post). No amount of boosting is going to change that fact. GMU's peer schools are Radford, ODU, and JMU.


Yes, however GMU CS would be better tier than useless majors from UVA, WM, and VT.



Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:55     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:GMU at best is a second-tier in-state option, solidly behind UVA, WM, and VT. They are only getting the average/below average students from NOVA. It's still a commuter school (see OP's post). No amount of boosting is going to change that fact. GMU's peer schools are Radford, ODU, and JMU.


This is so not true. A computer science degree from GMU (as well as many other degrees) are superior to same degree from Radford and ODU. While most degrees are probably on par with JMU, com sci and engineering are superior at GMU.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:50     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:Plenty of successful people in the world without a college degree. You don't need a GMU degree.


+1

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:47     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
GMU at best is a second-tier in-state option, solidly behind UVA, WM, and VT. They are only getting the average/below average students from NOVA. It's still a commuter school (see OP's post). No amount of boosting is going to change that fact. GMU's peer schools are Radford, ODU, and JMU.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:32     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD who graduated in Game Design at GMU is now at Microsoft. Computer Science majors do very well. The kids who can really cash in are the CyberSecurity majors.


Did your DD get a BFA in Game Design, or a BS in Com Sci with a minor game desgn, (or ABS in Com Sci/game desgn)?

I have real issues with paying $120K for a BFA in Game Design. I know it's fine for other families. I just can't get on board with that... and I have a kid who thinks that's his plan.




I don't think you know what game design is all about. See the new top gun movie? Almost all game design. Game design graduates work at the Pentagon, state department and all sorts of industries where training games have to be made for test pilots, fire fighters, another 9-11 response, etc. DS worked at the Virginia Serious Game Design Institute at GMU's Manassas campus. https://vsgi.gmu.edu/.



+1. The Game Design majors at the Mason Korea campus can call their own shots (along with the Cyber Security major graduates) when it comes to hiring. Mason Korea (Songdo, South Korea). from wiki


Mason Korea
Korea Campus
University Campus
Songdo Campus
Korean: 송도 캠퍼스
Data Center, Library, Guest House, Student's Hall[h]
Data Center, Library, Guest House, Student's Hall[h]
Country South Korea
Region Seoul Capital Area (Sudogwon)
Metropolitan City Flag of Incheon.svg Incheon
International Business District Songdo
Postal Code
21985
Opened in March 2014, the Songdo campus is in South Korea's Incheon Free Economic Zone, a 42,000-acre (66 sq mi) site designed for 850,000 people. It's 25 miles (40 km) from Seoul and a two-hour flight from China and Japan, and is connected to the Seoul Metropolitan Subway.

The Commonwealth of Virginia considers the Songdo campus legally no different from any other Mason campus, "... board of visitors shall have the same powers with respect to operation and governance of its branch campus in Korea as are vested in the board by the Code of Virginia with respect to George Mason University in Virginia ..."[85]

Mason Korea students will spend the sixth and seventh semesters (one year) on the Fairfax Campus, with all other course work to be completed in Songdo. George Mason University Korea offers seven undergraduate programs: Management, Finance, Accounting, Economics, Global Affairs, Conflict Analysis and Resolution, and Computer Game Design. Mason Korea also has two graduate programs: Systems Engineering and IB & ESOL.

Mason Korea's first commencement class graduated in December 2017.[86] Students from Mason Korea earn the same diploma as home campus students, with English as the language of instruction.


Maybe.

But, of the 2022 graduates with a BFA in Game Design, (48 total), they are almost all non-asian names, like Brandon and Andrew and Samuel and Max, with a few Anna's and Danielles. Doesn't seem like many Korean kids or Asian American kids are getting BFA degrees in video game design. https://learn-us-east-1-prod-fleet01-xythos.content.blackboardcdn.com/blackboard.learn.xythos.prod/5a30bcf95ea52/46164447?X-Blackboard-Expiration=1654560000000&X-Blackboard-Signature=ydX4KJuXkQaNNAUJ1PEyB5X5TrLpDXYPlvRjoEzcne8%3D&X-Blackboard-Client-Id=200078&response-cache-control=private%2C%20max-age%3D21600&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%2A%3DUTF-8%27%272022_CVPA-DC-Program_for-ATI_Plunkett_ATI.pdf&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEMz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJGMEQCICIhljbcy8VuUkxzBT38CWKZq6VQTGF3RdnwRfjHYBGHAiBtoVmlJIppGp%2F2rqYWlGGWz%2F1rzQ1leGZFNUnJcOtUtSrcBAjF%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F8BEAAaDDU1NjkwMzg2MTM2MSIM5lfeNzoO%2B1Wm0svOKrAEXxtp%2FM1OBZDQdM9J3Qq1njkjxyE7xdFAWATTsJf7YSE2JREDSZBinvyKPjC5MRtMGbdMeQoYRZMkhl6sRrwsth3l5UVkZbG650GeVmSICcqnpsa2A%2BsgPvhTWrxuQdyaqK690cOkPxy5eYcVOdmi5C8WVrkHzwIhIj2LSsiNMizDvPOhydQtGSbCrKinCVxJlXJzDjnYxyF7Mvhm7bApx9ICGkfqsmBrJXnq99HXz%2BL352ua6oGuvff2hAE%2FykgOmt0G%2FEYj7Sl%2Br9C5H%2F9qIkbQjrTTi42dGxYIEB%2Fn3I2lot4YEBW1oQ6eUAoZfAGUxOe%2FMNE1KH6NKdDzFhIQ2rj99mHZDf3oO3qciM5AZTeLo87QKhVAdXwgS%2FmdE6oKJjcDDXDb7sJTzoizTI9djw9fwRbfPqCLeEjcAN1RXnD3JvNY4zmFIcQxH54Gob0cfMC7SlSFGHq7iX%2F2p0rrjepLuuUI9j7b4SfAAIWbmc24aX9gwBHzfTWrmyi%2BHd6Yz6iUc3I76Y5Ow%2BPw8xqD3oetxCQpRIF6rTFtOxaYX%2B9JYlqh7xB4fvR6YAbn%2B2eBghk8Y361QN%2BbybKMbMvMJF8EpBr%2Ft9RSIDRWwQRdMohDBCQMq0KCGZlZHc%2BLZo7Tyuy6NhURIg9H2MycyjZm%2FlJbOXWP89b9ptMVdTSSqmkYSQyW4iNgpXz%2Fb5iAQLy609upDoeGcgKHxuILX1lYqiDFJqt3oouzEPdtPJQqf3cwpav5lAY6qgGvM3gdegNfejtBNQ4GBLuXaotOxrj8Ec%2FpHUI5Ufttip4zz9hORiutlqx%2BXlfK5HzqK5NyhoaH%2BK2K5rLr5nvjf8cd4ZeGVyrsPlM0WzoG3w2DQL7xLGiMk42JNY2GGT5BwMlKt%2Fbo3aJ%2FnNAa%2F91MJ%2BxiMJrLnnR0OZMHorHtyXZwu4ieugcuFQa7wQEu5XCS30vIi5TEEb%2FQCADclutes2dTNdMhnFJ1lQ%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220606T180000Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=21600&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYDKQORRYQKZC4UID%2F20220606%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=95e0e30688edf79c7d7ced2bc432b622ef0151572367c97497391d4fe0d71b73

If you look over at the college of Computing and Engineering, (total of over 400), there are many Asian people getting BS in computer Science.

https://learn-us-east-1-prod-fleet01-xythos.content.blackboardcdn.com/blackboard.learn.xythos.prod/5a30bcf95ea52/46164448?X-Blackboard-Expiration=1654560000000&X-Blackboard-Signature=SdXXOoPIGItPM2%2FVZgkFEbZhvawiTG6sV4doJIkUPJU%3D&X-Blackboard-Client-Id=200078&response-cache-control=private%2C%20max-age%3D21600&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%2A%3DUTF-8%27%272022_CEC-DC-Program_forATI_Plunkett_ATI.pdf&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEMz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJGMEQCICIhljbcy8VuUkxzBT38CWKZq6VQTGF3RdnwRfjHYBGHAiBtoVmlJIppGp%2F2rqYWlGGWz%2F1rzQ1leGZFNUnJcOtUtSrcBAjF%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F8BEAAaDDU1NjkwMzg2MTM2MSIM5lfeNzoO%2B1Wm0svOKrAEXxtp%2FM1OBZDQdM9J3Qq1njkjxyE7xdFAWATTsJf7YSE2JREDSZBinvyKPjC5MRtMGbdMeQoYRZMkhl6sRrwsth3l5UVkZbG650GeVmSICcqnpsa2A%2BsgPvhTWrxuQdyaqK690cOkPxy5eYcVOdmi5C8WVrkHzwIhIj2LSsiNMizDvPOhydQtGSbCrKinCVxJlXJzDjnYxyF7Mvhm7bApx9ICGkfqsmBrJXnq99HXz%2BL352ua6oGuvff2hAE%2FykgOmt0G%2FEYj7Sl%2Br9C5H%2F9qIkbQjrTTi42dGxYIEB%2Fn3I2lot4YEBW1oQ6eUAoZfAGUxOe%2FMNE1KH6NKdDzFhIQ2rj99mHZDf3oO3qciM5AZTeLo87QKhVAdXwgS%2FmdE6oKJjcDDXDb7sJTzoizTI9djw9fwRbfPqCLeEjcAN1RXnD3JvNY4zmFIcQxH54Gob0cfMC7SlSFGHq7iX%2F2p0rrjepLuuUI9j7b4SfAAIWbmc24aX9gwBHzfTWrmyi%2BHd6Yz6iUc3I76Y5Ow%2BPw8xqD3oetxCQpRIF6rTFtOxaYX%2B9JYlqh7xB4fvR6YAbn%2B2eBghk8Y361QN%2BbybKMbMvMJF8EpBr%2Ft9RSIDRWwQRdMohDBCQMq0KCGZlZHc%2BLZo7Tyuy6NhURIg9H2MycyjZm%2FlJbOXWP89b9ptMVdTSSqmkYSQyW4iNgpXz%2Fb5iAQLy609upDoeGcgKHxuILX1lYqiDFJqt3oouzEPdtPJQqf3cwpav5lAY6qgGvM3gdegNfejtBNQ4GBLuXaotOxrj8Ec%2FpHUI5Ufttip4zz9hORiutlqx%2BXlfK5HzqK5NyhoaH%2BK2K5rLr5nvjf8cd4ZeGVyrsPlM0WzoG3w2DQL7xLGiMk42JNY2GGT5BwMlKt%2Fbo3aJ%2FnNAa%2F91MJ%2BxiMJrLnnR0OZMHorHtyXZwu4ieugcuFQa7wQEu5XCS30vIi5TEEb%2FQCADclutes2dTNdMhnFJ1lQ%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220606T180000Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=21600&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYDKQORRYQKZC4UID%2F20220606%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=731aba680a51ca2f422a46a8e0f45816798695fa90b7f8cbcdafa8c63e014f98

Demand tells you something.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:20     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD who graduated in Game Design at GMU is now at Microsoft. Computer Science majors do very well. The kids who can really cash in are the CyberSecurity majors.


Did your DD get a BFA in Game Design, or a BS in Com Sci with a minor game desgn, (or ABS in Com Sci/game desgn)?

I have real issues with paying $120K for a BFA in Game Design. I know it's fine for other families. I just can't get on board with that... and I have a kid who thinks that's his plan.




I don't think you know what game design is all about. See the new top gun movie? Almost all game design. Game design graduates work at the Pentagon, state department and all sorts of industries where training games have to be made for test pilots, fire fighters, another 9-11 response, etc. DS worked at the Virginia Serious Game Design Institute at GMU's Manassas campus. https://vsgi.gmu.edu/.


There is a distinct difference between "serious game design" and video game design. They are not the same genre.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:20     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD who graduated in Game Design at GMU is now at Microsoft. Computer Science majors do very well. The kids who can really cash in are the CyberSecurity majors.


Did your DD get a BFA in Game Design, or a BS in Com Sci with a minor game desgn, (or ABS in Com Sci/game desgn)?

I have real issues with paying $120K for a BFA in Game Design. I know it's fine for other families. I just can't get on board with that... and I have a kid who thinks that's his plan.




I don't think you know what game design is all about. See the new top gun movie? Almost all game design. Game design graduates work at the Pentagon, state department and all sorts of industries where training games have to be made for test pilots, fire fighters, another 9-11 response, etc. DS worked at the Virginia Serious Game Design Institute at GMU's Manassas campus. https://vsgi.gmu.edu/.



+1. The Game Design majors at the Mason Korea campus can call their own shots (along with the Cyber Security major graduates) when it comes to hiring. Mason Korea (Songdo, South Korea). from wiki


Mason Korea
Korea Campus
University Campus
Songdo Campus
Korean: 송도 캠퍼스
Data Center, Library, Guest House, Student's Hall[h]
Data Center, Library, Guest House, Student's Hall[h]
Country South Korea
Region Seoul Capital Area (Sudogwon)
Metropolitan City Flag of Incheon.svg Incheon
International Business District Songdo
Postal Code
21985
Opened in March 2014, the Songdo campus is in South Korea's Incheon Free Economic Zone, a 42,000-acre (66 sq mi) site designed for 850,000 people. It's 25 miles (40 km) from Seoul and a two-hour flight from China and Japan, and is connected to the Seoul Metropolitan Subway.

The Commonwealth of Virginia considers the Songdo campus legally no different from any other Mason campus, "... board of visitors shall have the same powers with respect to operation and governance of its branch campus in Korea as are vested in the board by the Code of Virginia with respect to George Mason University in Virginia ..."[85]

Mason Korea students will spend the sixth and seventh semesters (one year) on the Fairfax Campus, with all other course work to be completed in Songdo. George Mason University Korea offers seven undergraduate programs: Management, Finance, Accounting, Economics, Global Affairs, Conflict Analysis and Resolution, and Computer Game Design. Mason Korea also has two graduate programs: Systems Engineering and IB & ESOL.

Mason Korea's first commencement class graduated in December 2017.[86] Students from Mason Korea earn the same diploma as home campus students, with English as the language of instruction.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:15     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
GMU's VSGI is hired by the US government for war game simulation and military training. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_design
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:13     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD who graduated in Game Design at GMU is now at Microsoft. Computer Science majors do very well. The kids who can really cash in are the CyberSecurity majors.


Did your DD get a BFA in Game Design, or a BS in Com Sci with a minor game desgn, (or ABS in Com Sci/game desgn)?

I have real issues with paying $120K for a BFA in Game Design. I know it's fine for other families. I just can't get on board with that... and I have a kid who thinks that's his plan.




I don't think you know what game design is all about. See the new top gun movie? Almost all game design. Game design graduates work at the Pentagon, state department and all sorts of industries where training games have to be made for test pilots, fire fighters, another 9-11 response, etc. DS worked at the Virginia Serious Game Design Institute at GMU's Manassas campus. https://vsgi.gmu.edu/.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 16:09     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:GMU is a carnegie R1 university. There are only 145 carnegie R1 "very high reseach output" universities in the USA. It is an academic place
Especially for CS and Engineering. Those who are denigrating GMU are completely outdated in their characterization of the university and its degrees compared to its peers.

\\\+1.

They must be old. very few go off on that old "commuter school" harangue. It's the largest public university in Virginia with 40,000 students. All freshman have to live on campus. I've taken summer courses there. It's a lovely campus during summer.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 15:53     Subject: Re:CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
GMU is a carnegie R1 university. There are only 145 carnegie R1 "very high reseach output" universities in the USA. It is an academic place
Especially for CS and Engineering. Those who are denigrating GMU are completely outdated in their characterization of the university and its degrees compared to its peers.

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 15:49     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Anonymous wrote:Plenty of successful people in the world without a college degree. You don't need a GMU degree.


are you seriously suggesting that a GMU BS in Computer Science is essentially the same as not having a college degree at all?

That is pure C.R.A.Z.Y.

Sure GMU, like EVERY school, has it's own style of campus/college experience. Some like it. Some prefer another flavor. But, to take YOUR dislike for the GMU college experience and extrapolate that GMU Com Sci degrees are therefore no better than having no degree at all, just reflects very poorly on you and your ability to assess value. Stop while you have any dignity left.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 15:40     Subject: CS major between GMU and University of Pennsylvania
Plenty of successful people in the world without a college degree. You don't need a GMU degree.