Are we still having these posts here? Don't we all know by now that vaccinated and un-vaccinated people can spread the virus. Also if your relatives have already had COVID twice they are just as protected as your are by being vaccinated, maybe more protected even.

Anonymous wrote:OP here --- wonderful brunch had by all, including cousins. FYI - I never asked if they were vaccinated - they are the ones who shared first.

Oh I thought they had declined? Did you offer an olive branch somehow?

OP here --- wonderful brunch had by all, including cousins. FYI - I never asked if they were vaccinated - they are the ones who shared first.

OMG. When will this end? If you want, get boosted over and over and over, and wear masks for the rest of your life, but you have to let go of this insane judgment. It really doesn't matter anymore.

I honestly don't even know how these conversations happen. The vaccination status of my extended family is not really my business - how do you even know all of this information?

PS: they're not really anti-vaxxers, unless you're going to tell us they've refused other vaccinations. That group is pretty small, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, does vaccination actually matter anymore? I'm vaxed and have also had covid twice.

Yes, I would go see your cousins.

If you look at who's still dying of Covid, in addition to the unvaxxed, it's a lot of elderly vaccinated people. Their immune systems just don't mount the same response as younger people.

The new variants are super contagious, so I wouldn't trust the distance of a long table to keep OP's mom safe. (Well, maybe a Putin table would work.) A restaurant meal with extended relatives you haven't seen lately is going to last at least an hour, and the mom will not be masked.

So should the mother never eat out anywhere? You have no idea the vax status of anyone else at the restaurant.

Yes

Yes I would go.
Vaccine protects you.
When you go in public what makes you think everyone is vaccinated?

Yes I would. The vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC has recognized the protection against hospitalization and death for covid for quite awhile now. There was a study back in January that showed that prior infection of delta provided stronger protection against infection than vaccination (Leon et al, MMWR).

42% of Omicron deaths in a recent two month study were vaccinated (no, I’m not antivax and yes, I and my whole immediate family are vaccinated). 2/3 of all the deaths were over age 75.

OP is right to be concerned for her mom coming into close unmasked contact at a restaurant with an entire antivax family. Also, most loud antivaxxers also make other stupid choices that increase their risk of getting and spreading COVID.

Link to this?

Please be careful with base rate fallacies.... majority of people are vaxxed, so numerically will make up majority of cases and deaths, though their risk is still lower vs unvaxxed when you split into rate per 100k people.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC has recognized the protection against hospitalization and death for covid for quite awhile now. There was a study back in January that showed that prior infection of delta provided stronger protection against infection than vaccination (Leon et al, MMWR).

42% of Omicron deaths in a recent two month study were vaccinated (no, I’m not antivax and yes, I and my whole immediate family are vaccinated). 2/3 of all the deaths were over age 75.

OP is right to be concerned for her mom coming into close unmasked contact at a restaurant with an entire antivax family. Also, most loud antivaxxers also make other stupid choices that increase their risk of getting and spreading COVID.

Link to this?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was an old thread that someone has dug up.
I am vaccinated but I honestly think we need to just let it all go.
Our next threat is a possible nuclear strike or a ww3. Let’s move on from covid.
And yes I would decline too!

For low risk vaccinated and boosted people I agree though I don’t have room in my life for stupid anymore and anti vaxxers are the pinnacle of stupid. For high risk which includes the elderly yeah they need to stay away from the unvaccinated, especially in a prolonged situation like dining together where the at risk person would not have a mask.

I never ask for anyone’s vax status. As for the elderly I let them decide. I am 46 but hopefully I am not too afraid of death by the time I am 76 and my kid is grown.

You should be afraid of a COVID death at any age. Clearly you aren’t a healthcare worker.

No, you really shouldn't. We've known since the start of this from what happened in places like Italy who is at risk. That hasn't changed in over 2 years.

People have had the information they need to make their own risk assessments since summer of 2020. Pretending that, say, a healthy 25 year old is at meaningful risk from covid (whether they're vaccinated ore not) is just hysterical nonsense.