Anonymous
05/12/2022 20:57
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that her family didn't know she had the gun?
I feel very sorry for Ashley having found her.
Of course her family didn’t know she had the gun.
Poor Ashley. Just godawful. My great grandfather killed himself in the same way. That was over a hundred years ago and it still affects all of his grand and great grandchildren’s lives.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 20:51
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
She had treatment resistant depression.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 20:07
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Is it possible that her family didn't know she had the gun?
I feel very sorry for Ashley having found her.
I feel very sorry for Ashley having found her.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 20:01
Subject: Re:Naomi Judd Died
Some weird comments previously that I won’t quote but will answer.
Firearms suicide absolutely IS the most effective means of suicide, if you are basing that on successful achievement of death. More than half of all the 45,000+ suicides in America last year were suicides by firearms. This is one of the most compelling reasons to limit access to firearms. I personally don’t think firearms should be kept in any home where someone is experiencing mental illness or even addiction because often mental illness is underlying the addiction but family members are unaware. Suicidal ideation very often doesn’t show outwardly.
And yes, suicidal thoughts do pass - almost always. As someone who has struggled with depression and cptsd since my early teens, and has survived multiple suicide attempts, I’ve spent a lot of time recently studying suicidology, which is the study of suicide and how it manifests in individuals and culturally. Many folks don’t realize that there is a spectrum of suicidal thinking from ideation which is thinking about being better off dead and suicidal plan and/or impulse which is much more serious. A lot of people with mental illness think a lot about wanting to die to escape the pain of their condition, but the impulse to actually act is often very fleeting. People who have survived suicide attempts are often very grateful for their survival - but may still experience suicidal ideation. It does make a difference to make the means less readily available, and to limit access to the most extreme means - like firearms and bridges (suicide nets have been installed on some bridges to prevent their use as a means to suicide). I have a good friend who survived a suicide attempt by firearm, was profoundly wounded and now struggles with all the effects of TBI. He’s grateful to be alive and yet still struggles with depression. Mental illness is very complicated. We should talk about it so much more and we should talk about suicide so much more because it is a leading cause of death and is rising steadily especially among young people.
I’m broken hearted over Naomi Judd. I have always liked the Judds and am deeply grateful to them for sharing their own struggles with mental illness so openly - I am certain that they touched a lot of people and helped them to feel less alone in their struggles. Losing Naomi to the beast of depression is wrenching to her fellow sufferers who battle the same demons every day. I really, really wish she hadn’t kept firearms in her house. I stopped keeping one myself because I feared having it there in the closet when in the deepest pain and when the impulse comes.
I hope the family sharing this information makes people think about the firearms in their homes. Statistics have long established that a firearm kept for protection in the home is more likely to harm someone in the home than to be used against an intruder. At very least the firearms and ammunition should be locked away and not easily accessible especially if someone in the home is suffering mental health issues.
Firearms suicide absolutely IS the most effective means of suicide, if you are basing that on successful achievement of death. More than half of all the 45,000+ suicides in America last year were suicides by firearms. This is one of the most compelling reasons to limit access to firearms. I personally don’t think firearms should be kept in any home where someone is experiencing mental illness or even addiction because often mental illness is underlying the addiction but family members are unaware. Suicidal ideation very often doesn’t show outwardly.
And yes, suicidal thoughts do pass - almost always. As someone who has struggled with depression and cptsd since my early teens, and has survived multiple suicide attempts, I’ve spent a lot of time recently studying suicidology, which is the study of suicide and how it manifests in individuals and culturally. Many folks don’t realize that there is a spectrum of suicidal thinking from ideation which is thinking about being better off dead and suicidal plan and/or impulse which is much more serious. A lot of people with mental illness think a lot about wanting to die to escape the pain of their condition, but the impulse to actually act is often very fleeting. People who have survived suicide attempts are often very grateful for their survival - but may still experience suicidal ideation. It does make a difference to make the means less readily available, and to limit access to the most extreme means - like firearms and bridges (suicide nets have been installed on some bridges to prevent their use as a means to suicide). I have a good friend who survived a suicide attempt by firearm, was profoundly wounded and now struggles with all the effects of TBI. He’s grateful to be alive and yet still struggles with depression. Mental illness is very complicated. We should talk about it so much more and we should talk about suicide so much more because it is a leading cause of death and is rising steadily especially among young people.
I’m broken hearted over Naomi Judd. I have always liked the Judds and am deeply grateful to them for sharing their own struggles with mental illness so openly - I am certain that they touched a lot of people and helped them to feel less alone in their struggles. Losing Naomi to the beast of depression is wrenching to her fellow sufferers who battle the same demons every day. I really, really wish she hadn’t kept firearms in her house. I stopped keeping one myself because I feared having it there in the closet when in the deepest pain and when the impulse comes.
I hope the family sharing this information makes people think about the firearms in their homes. Statistics have long established that a firearm kept for protection in the home is more likely to harm someone in the home than to be used against an intruder. At very least the firearms and ammunition should be locked away and not easily accessible especially if someone in the home is suffering mental health issues.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 19:04
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
This is why we need a place like Dignitas. This woman was likely going to kill herself regardless but her only choice was to do so in a violent and lonely way that left a mess for her family.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 16:03
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
When a person is determined to end their life, they find a way.
Yes and no. Suicidal thoughts pass. If you remove one way, studies have shown that most people don’t try another way.
Not always.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 16:02
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
When a person is determined to end their life, they find a way.
Yes and no. Suicidal thoughts pass. If you remove one way, studies have shown that most people don’t try another way.
Are you that someone or are you just playing around online? Either way, super gross considering the sad news.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 16:01
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
When a person is determined to end their life, they find a way.
Yes and no. Suicidal thoughts pass. If you remove one way, studies have shown that most people don’t try another way.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:47
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
When a person is determined to end their life, they find a way.
Yep. This isn’t a kid who stumbled on a gun and accidentally discharged it. This is an adult who wanted to end her life.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:46
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
When a person is determined to end their life, they find a way.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:42
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
I would think her family was so acutely aware of her struggles that they would have done everything in their power to prevent access to firearms. So remove them all from the house, lock them up, etc. I’m sorry, but something does not add up here. If she was so well cared for, if all her family members were so keen on getting her help, etc., then they would have made sure she did not have access to guns.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:40
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Why was Naomi allowed access to firearms if she was suffering from such deep depression?
You can go out to any Walmart in the south and buy some. Unless they locked her in her room, she could go out and buy a gun.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:29
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Why was Naomi allowed access to firearms if she was suffering from such deep depression?
Do you think it’s a Herculean feat to obtain a gun in this country?
Anonymous
05/12/2022 15:06
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cause of death confirmed, so sad:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/entertainment/naomi-judd-cause-of-death/index.html
Horrible but the most effective way to die by suicide. Sorry to think of how traumatic for the family.
It is NOT the most effective way, it's the most traumatic way for the family. I realize that she just wanted to be out of her misery, but she put that misery and trauma onto the next generation. I have family that did this, the rest of the family will have that image (and sound) burned into their memory and will likely not be able to live in the house or near it. It's really a cruel way to go.
Anonymous
05/12/2022 14:59
Subject: Naomi Judd Died
Anonymous wrote:Why was Naomi allowed access to firearms if she was suffering from such deep depression?
I thought this as well. With the exception of defenestration if you live in a high rise, death by firearm takes no preparation (or chance to change your mind). And rarely survivable.