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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

Have DCPS provide some G and T in elementary and tracking in MS and HS and you won’t have parents with options choosing charters. Until then families will do what is best for their kid.

So talk to DCPS because they are not meeting the needs of ALL kids, just the bottom. That’s all they care about so why should families care about their poorly performing IB schools?

thank for that wisdom.

Anonymous wrote:I'd be interested to hear about Roosevelt - I've met the principal and a couple staff and they seemed like people who would be good at any school. So I'd be interested in seeing what might make it 'atrocious.'

If you truly want to get a sense of Roosevelt, ask the principal if you can spend a few hours sitting in on classes.
That is the only way to get a sense of the school

I'd be interested to hear about Roosevelt - I've met the principal and a couple staff and they seemed like people who would be good at any school. So I'd be interested in seeing what might make it 'atrocious.'

roosevelt is atrocious

i have heard

Dunbar is the BEST school in DC!

Change my mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

The Charters are serving the same population as DCPS. They are not private schools. In a lot of cases, DCPS is doing a better job than charters. I actual favor some form of tracking. There is really not another way to help all kids and be fair.

Why don”t you tell us the many cases of your IB DCPS middle and high schools that are doing better than charters such as Basis, DCI, and Latin? It sure isn’t Dunbar.

This. Boosters can say anything on an anonymous board. When you ask for specifics, it’s crickets.

Anonymous wrote:Maaaaaaybe Roosevelt or Eastern. That's all. And McKinley and maybe Bard, for selective schools.

why maybe roosevelt ???

It depends on what you are looking for. Do you have a white UMC kid who is academically about average? You know he won’t place into the advanced classes at a large public and you want to avoid the troubled kids at a large public? Then highly regarded charter is the place for you. Your kid won’t be in class with troubled kids and the teacher will teach to the middle. Do you have a white kid who has the potential to be an academic all star? The large publics in NW will offer more academic opportunity and he will find a good peer group and not be in many classes with the problem kids especially as he gets older. I agree that for a black kid publics are probably not great places for the unfortunate reasons that PP explained.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

The Charters are serving the same population as DCPS. They are not private schools. In a lot of cases, DCPS is doing a better job than charters. I actual favor some form of tracking. There is really not another way to help all kids and be fair.

Depends on the charter. Basis, for instance, is much whiter and had many fewer poor students than DCPS as a whole.

There's an interesting chicken/egg issue with Basis. Basis is open about what and who they are. They are a college prep school designed to get kids into 4 year college and merit based aid. They do comprehensive exams every year (in 6th+) and make kids who fail repeat the grade. They do not socially promote. The curriculum is advanced for all kids; there's no way to choose an easy track. It stands to reason that the population that would send their kids to Basis is naturally smaller than many other schools and for sure DCPS HS. If you look at PARCC data for DC the Basis population actually looks not dissimilar to the population of kids who get 4s and 5s. Which makes sense since the population that can make it through Basis to graduation tracks pretty closely with that population and as a lottery charter the demographics should reflect a sample of the kids who apply.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

The Charters are serving the same population as DCPS. They are not private schools. In a lot of cases, DCPS is doing a better job than charters. I actual favor some form of tracking. There is really not another way to help all kids and be fair.

Depends on the charter. Basis, for instance, is much whiter and had many fewer poor students than DCPS as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

The Charters are serving the same population as DCPS. They are not private schools. In a lot of cases, DCPS is doing a better job than charters. I actual favor some form of tracking. There is really not another way to help all kids and be fair.

Why don”t you tell us the many cases of your IB DCPS middle and high schools that are doing better than charters such as Basis, DCI, and Latin? It sure isn’t Dunbar.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

The Charters are serving the same population as DCPS. They are not private schools. In a lot of cases, DCPS is doing a better job than charters. I actual favor some form of tracking. There is really not another way to help all kids and be fair.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.

Agreed. If DCPS won't provide opportunities for smart, motivated kids of all backgrounds, then self selecting into charters is the next best thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Although I hate the low academic standards, my real issue is with the violence in and near the school.

Do you think your child specifically would be pulled into this?

NP. It's unpleasant to witness and can be really traumatic. It disrupts the learning environment and wastes instructional time. And nearby people do sometimes get hurt in a scuffle just by being in range It's not because anyone thinks their child is going to be invited to partake in a carjacking.

My child was not happy in his elementary school where there were frequent behavioral disruptions, including thrown chairs, even though he was never directly involved.

All sounds alarming and unfortunate. Didn't know there was this kind of violence at the schools mentioned except for Latin. Why doesn't Latin face the same thing? Is it because the school is smaller?

Charter school means the families have to be motivated enough to transport their kids & fill out paperwork.

That’s not it. Functionally half of DC Public School students attend charters. Even more go to Out of Boundary DCPS schools. So a MAJORITY of DC parents are willing to fill out applications and arrange transporation.

Yes, half of parents are willing to do this. And the kids of families where parents are not able to be involved in this way, family is in crisis, family has criminal justice system involvement, family is experiencing housing insecurity, etc. are concentrated in the by right schools that fully half of DC parents are jumping through hoops to avoid. The resulting cohort at those schools has all kinds of behavior and social issues at a much higher rate than they would if so many parents didn’t go to charters or OOB options. Get it?

You anti-charter people are so g**damn twitchy. Get a grip. A PP mentioned that a child was murdered due to violent nonsense happening at KIPP— a CHARTER school. So the answer “because parents motivated “ to another PPs question about why Latin is not know for chaos and violence is “not it”. Keep up or butt out.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I don’t really understand your angry rant. I certainly not anti charter, so you seem to have misunderstood my post pretty dramatically.

Are you saying that your DON’T think that charters benefit from having a cohort of kids whose parents care enough to play the lottery want work to get them to charter schools? Really? That seems like a wildly naive position. The charter k-8 that my kid attended certainly benefitted from that - the school admin was kind of a mess, but involved committed parents made it work very much better than it might have.

I love that our charter is comprised of UMC families and high-motivated familes of modest SES.

+1. DCPS can continue their social promotion and race to the bottom. Until they provide adequate tracking and challenge to All kids and stop putting kids 3-4 grade levels apart in the same class, families with high performing kids will continue to choose charters with similar kids.