Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:19     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to the actual measures being used? I have a friend who got their letter that their kid didn't even make the lottery, but based on reading level, grades and MAP definitely should have. We keep talking about 75th %ile but now I cant find where that is.

I know what the general measures are because I got our letter, but I'm trying to find specifics. This process is SO opaque.


I hear you. Our daughter was in the 95th MAP-R percentile, straight A's, always multiple grade levels above in reading/lexile level and wasn't even chosen for the pool either, which seems to cut against this FAQ that was added on 3/29 to the FAQs on MCPS's CES website:

"What data was used to review Grade 3 students for needing enriched services in Grade 4?

Multiple measures including Grade 3 marking period 2 report cards, locally-normed percentile ranks for the winter 2022 Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading (MAP-R), instructional reading level and student services including: special education services, ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, Section 504 accommodations plan and Free and Reduced-priced Meals. Students who meet the following academic criteria will receive enriched literacy services in Grade 4:

-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’ and
-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
-Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
-85th Percentile Local Norm on MAP- R

The enriched literacy services may be delivered at your student’s current school or in a regional CES program. Students who meet the academic criteria will be placed into a lottery pool for potential placement in a CES program. Placement in the regional CES program is by lottery only."

The only thing we can think of is that our "locally normed" MAP-R might be astronomically high.


I would call AEI on that one - 95% is very high not to make pool.


Yeah, we're in the same boat. 97% Fall and 95% Winter MAP-R, straight As, etc, but at a very high SES school, so maybe it's the "locally normed" factor. We weren't planning on sending our kid to CES anyway but I would have expected her to at least make the pool??


Look even a high SES school isn't going to be too far off national norms. The pool was like the 75%. I imagine it's possible to miss that maybe at 85% national but at 95% I would have to say highly unlikely.


Not in pool means no guarantee for ELC, so I would follow-up with AEI to get clarification on this. 95/97 not in pool seems extreme
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:17     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:99th percentile MAP-R. White girl in high income ES. Rejected.[/quote

Sorry about that but statistically it happens to most 99% kids with the lottery so you're in good company.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:14     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to the actual measures being used? I have a friend who got their letter that their kid didn't even make the lottery, but based on reading level, grades and MAP definitely should have. We keep talking about 75th %ile but now I cant find where that is.

I know what the general measures are because I got our letter, but I'm trying to find specifics. This process is SO opaque.


I hear you. Our daughter was in the 95th MAP-R percentile, straight A's, always multiple grade levels above in reading/lexile level and wasn't even chosen for the pool either, which seems to cut against this FAQ that was added on 3/29 to the FAQs on MCPS's CES website:

"What data was used to review Grade 3 students for needing enriched services in Grade 4?

Multiple measures including Grade 3 marking period 2 report cards, locally-normed percentile ranks for the winter 2022 Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading (MAP-R), instructional reading level and student services including: special education services, ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, Section 504 accommodations plan and Free and Reduced-priced Meals. Students who meet the following academic criteria will receive enriched literacy services in Grade 4:

-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’ and
-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
-Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
-85th Percentile Local Norm on MAP- R

The enriched literacy services may be delivered at your student’s current school or in a regional CES program. Students who meet the academic criteria will be placed into a lottery pool for potential placement in a CES program. Placement in the regional CES program is by lottery only."

The only thing we can think of is that our "locally normed" MAP-R might be astronomically high.


I would call AEI on that one - 95% is very high not to make pool.


Yeah, we're in the same boat. 97% Fall and 95% Winter MAP-R, straight As, etc, but at a very high SES school, so maybe it's the "locally normed" factor. We weren't planning on sending our kid to CES anyway but I would have expected her to at least make the pool??


Look even a high SES school isn't going to be too far off national norms. The pool was like the 75%. I imagine it's possible to miss that maybe at 85% national but at 95% I would have to say highly unlikely.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:12     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone gotten a response yet? Post yes or no & your kid’s MAP score for reading.


MCPS priority seems to be different now. Last thing they want to do is the CES letters.

yeah they’re too busy spamming everyone @ the antiracist audit


...any excuse to complain about MCPS, or about the audit?

1) They sent the CES letters out in snail mail yesterday.
2) People are already receiving them.
3) They should be on Parentvue tomorrow.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:10     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to the actual measures being used? I have a friend who got their letter that their kid didn't even make the lottery, but based on reading level, grades and MAP definitely should have. We keep talking about 75th %ile but now I cant find where that is.

I know what the general measures are because I got our letter, but I'm trying to find specifics. This process is SO opaque.


I hear you. Our daughter was in the 95th MAP-R percentile, straight A's, always multiple grade levels above in reading/lexile level and wasn't even chosen for the pool either, which seems to cut against this FAQ that was added on 3/29 to the FAQs on MCPS's CES website:

"What data was used to review Grade 3 students for needing enriched services in Grade 4?

Multiple measures including Grade 3 marking period 2 report cards, locally-normed percentile ranks for the winter 2022 Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading (MAP-R), instructional reading level and student services including: special education services, ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, Section 504 accommodations plan and Free and Reduced-priced Meals. Students who meet the following academic criteria will receive enriched literacy services in Grade 4:

-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’ and
-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
-Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
-85th Percentile Local Norm on MAP- R

The enriched literacy services may be delivered at your student’s current school or in a regional CES program. Students who meet the academic criteria will be placed into a lottery pool for potential placement in a CES program. Placement in the regional CES program is by lottery only."

The only thing we can think of is that our "locally normed" MAP-R might be astronomically high.


I would call AEI on that one - 95% is very high not to make pool.


Yeah, we're in the same boat. 97% Fall and 95% Winter MAP-R, straight As, etc, but at a very high SES school, so maybe it's the "locally normed" factor. We weren't planning on sending our kid to CES anyway but I would have expected her to at least make the pool??
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 15:05     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone gotten a response yet? Post yes or no & your kid’s MAP score for reading.


MCPS priority seems to be different now. Last thing they want to do is the CES letters.

yeah they’re too busy spamming everyone @ the antiracist audit
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:35     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to the actual measures being used? I have a friend who got their letter that their kid didn't even make the lottery, but based on reading level, grades and MAP definitely should have. We keep talking about 75th %ile but now I cant find where that is.

I know what the general measures are because I got our letter, but I'm trying to find specifics. This process is SO opaque.


I hear you. Our daughter was in the 95th MAP-R percentile, straight A's, always multiple grade levels above in reading/lexile level and wasn't even chosen for the pool either, which seems to cut against this FAQ that was added on 3/29 to the FAQs on MCPS's CES website:

"What data was used to review Grade 3 students for needing enriched services in Grade 4?

Multiple measures including Grade 3 marking period 2 report cards, locally-normed percentile ranks for the winter 2022 Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading (MAP-R), instructional reading level and student services including: special education services, ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, Section 504 accommodations plan and Free and Reduced-priced Meals. Students who meet the following academic criteria will receive enriched literacy services in Grade 4:

-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’ and
-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
-Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
-85th Percentile Local Norm on MAP- R

The enriched literacy services may be delivered at your student’s current school or in a regional CES program. Students who meet the academic criteria will be placed into a lottery pool for potential placement in a CES program. Placement in the regional CES program is by lottery only."

The only thing we can think of is that our "locally normed" MAP-R might be astronomically high.


I would call AEI on that one - 95% is very high not to make pool.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:33     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've commented a couple times here (actually earlier today to say it was in my USPS email) and we just opened the letter.

232 MAP-R
Placed in CES
We don't plan on sending DC, so that opens up a spot for folks


Cool, at which center?


I'm sure all of the centers will have some folks turn down admission.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:15     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:I've commented a couple times here (actually earlier today to say it was in my USPS email) and we just opened the letter.

232 MAP-R
Placed in CES
We don't plan on sending DC, so that opens up a spot for folks


Cool, at which center?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:14     Subject: CES letters?
Results letters for the Grade 3 Central Review and, if applicable, the CES Lottery were placed in the US Mail on Wednesday 3/30/2020. Letters will also be available in ParentVue by Friday 4/1/2020. Please review the updated
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:13     Subject: CES letters?
FYI: The updated FAQ states:

Grade 3 students go through a central review process. Students who demonstrate a need for enriched and accelerated programming will be placed into a name blind, race blind, school blind lottery pool. Students in this pool will be guaranteed enrichment and acceleration in either the CES program or local enriched programming/courses.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 14:08     Subject: Re:CES letters?
Do they post on parent vue or is it snail mail only?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 13:53     Subject: CES letters?
I've commented a couple times here (actually earlier today to say it was in my USPS email) and we just opened the letter.

232 MAP-R
Placed in CES
We don't plan on sending DC, so that opens up a spot for folks
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 13:53     Subject: CES letters?
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to the actual measures being used? I have a friend who got their letter that their kid didn't even make the lottery, but based on reading level, grades and MAP definitely should have. We keep talking about 75th %ile but now I cant find where that is.

I know what the general measures are because I got our letter, but I'm trying to find specifics. This process is SO opaque.


I hear you. Our daughter was in the 95th MAP-R percentile, straight A's, always multiple grade levels above in reading/lexile level and wasn't even chosen for the pool either, which seems to cut against this FAQ that was added on 3/29 to the FAQs on MCPS's CES website:

"What data was used to review Grade 3 students for needing enriched services in Grade 4?

Multiple measures including Grade 3 marking period 2 report cards, locally-normed percentile ranks for the winter 2022 Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading (MAP-R), instructional reading level and student services including: special education services, ESOL- English for Speakers of Other Languages, Section 504 accommodations plan and Free and Reduced-priced Meals. Students who meet the following academic criteria will receive enriched literacy services in Grade 4:

-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’ and
-Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
-Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
-85th Percentile Local Norm on MAP- R

The enriched literacy services may be delivered at your student’s current school or in a regional CES program. Students who meet the academic criteria will be placed into a lottery pool for potential placement in a CES program. Placement in the regional CES program is by lottery only."

The only thing we can think of is that our "locally normed" MAP-R might be astronomically high.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2022 13:50     Subject: CES letters?
Got my letter. W feeder ES, 230+ map r, in lottery pool, didn’t get placed. Totally as expected.