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Post 03/18/2022 23:29     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?


You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.


When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.


Their is an individual who is very AGGRESSIVE with planting the idea that MCPS is creating a performing arts school. Not only has this happened before and failed but people don’t understand how expensive the performing arts can be.

No one has factor in the facility who will be apart of this theoretical program. Performing arts teachers with masters in their crafts are EXPENSIVE, supplies for the arts is EXPENSIVE, THE PERFORMING ARTS ARE EXPENSIVE. They’re not only expensive but a lot of parents view them as pointless. Look at the Visual Art Center, the oldest magnet program in the county and has been constantly threatened with budget cuts despite only having 2 teachers. They don’t even provide transportation.

Also, other arts programs in schools are being cut in MCPS. Why should MCPS fund a performing arts program but I’m fighting for my DC school choir program not to be cut? That’s not fair.

Lastly, where is the funds going to come from? Schools like Baltimore School of the Arts and Duke Ellington get funding from private donors and fight every year not to be cut. At this point, they’re only still opened because their historical monuments that are part of their cities. I don’t know about a program that’s just been launch and how long it will last before MCPS starts to cut some things.

The school could be like Loiderman’s program (messily put together) but what’s the point? I say make Einstein or Blake (Schools with an establish PA programs) countywide and be done with it.
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Post 03/18/2022 23:04     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired then, because there are plenty of posts here ignoring that the stated purpose of Woodward is to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC, not WJ first and then the DCC if possible, or WJ and a 500 seat magnet and then the DCC if possible. Nowhere has MCPS committed to reserving 500 seats at Woodward for a county wide magnet. There are also multiple split articulation MS in MCPS, they do not need to keep the Tilden cluster together, especially when talking about a HS whose whole purpose is to alleviate overcrowding at multiple HS.

You are a weird person. Like the person that keeps arguing about the BOE putting diversity above other factors. Give it a rest already. You seem to lack both reading comprehension and common sense.


There's nothing weird about what this PP said at all. They're right on all counts.

When you can’t refute someone’s points your best response is to hearken back to 6th grade and call them weird.


In case it was unclear, I wasn't calling anyone weird. I was disagreeing with the "You are a weird person" poster.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 22:35     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.


Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.


Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.

GA Ave from Viers Mill to Dennis is roughly the north boundary for OTES, this area includes GA and Plyers Mill, so if OTES got re-zoned for Woodward those neighborhoods would go there. Those areas are also the farthest points from Woodward in the OTES boundary and are still only about 5 miles away. I’ve lived here for 15 years and it does not take 60 minutes to get from there to the area where Woodward is even in the worst of rush hour, let alone at 7 am and 2:30 pm for HS transportation purposes. 30 minutes is not a huge deal for getting to and from school.
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Post 03/18/2022 22:12     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.


Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.


Players Mill does not go to Woodward. 5 mikes here could be 30-60 minutes.
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Post 03/18/2022 21:43     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.

This literally makes no sense. Oakland Terrace has the 2nd lowest FARMS rate of the Einstein feeders, and how the hell would re-zoning Oakland Terrace to Woodward “keep poor kids away from Larlx at Blair”? Did you just dip into the wine early?
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Post 03/18/2022 21:32     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired then, because there are plenty of posts here ignoring that the stated purpose of Woodward is to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC, not WJ first and then the DCC if possible, or WJ and a 500 seat magnet and then the DCC if possible. Nowhere has MCPS committed to reserving 500 seats at Woodward for a county wide magnet. There are also multiple split articulation MS in MCPS, they do not need to keep the Tilden cluster together, especially when talking about a HS whose whole purpose is to alleviate overcrowding at multiple HS.

You are a weird person. Like the person that keeps arguing about the BOE putting diversity above other factors. Give it a rest already. You seem to lack both reading comprehension and common sense.


There's nothing weird about what this PP said at all. They're right on all counts.

When you can’t refute someone’s points your best response is to hearken back to 6th grade and call them weird.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 21:10     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.


Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.

Come on, the OTES catchment area is not that big, there is no part of the catchment area that is more than a mile or so from any other part. Why would your HS kid not take the bus, because it would in no way be a nightmare to go the less than 5 miles from say GA Ave and Plyers Mill to Woodward. And if your kid can’t handle traveling 5 miles to get to school they have bigger problems.
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Post 03/18/2022 21:09     Subject: latest updates on Woodward
Changing Crown and Woodward to Countywide magnets would relieve the overcrowding pressure on Blair (using trailer classrooms) and Poolesville wouldn't need 60M to increase student seat capacity by 630 (even though it's only 3% over cap, which is pretty darn good compared to Gaithersburg HS for example). That money could be used on Gaithersburg and fix Wootton from crumbling.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 20:13     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?


You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.


When these schools are replaced or expand they need to make them much larger if they will not open new ones. 3000 students is absurd.
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Post 03/18/2022 19:48     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
Anonymous wrote:Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?


You have revealed ypur ignorance. MCPS does tons of site selection studies, capacity studies, and designs, that go nowhere.

Just in my cluster in the past 7 years, and just what I know of: TWO WJ/ES site selection studies. WJ Study Group. WJ Round Table. WJ ES capacity study. WJ/BCC ES site selection..
WJ/BCC capacity study. Not to mention the THREE actual designs to take WJ to 3500 which the community promptly rejected.

MCPS wastes money on studies and designs All. The. Time.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 19:24     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.


Parts of OTES are not close to Parkland or Woodward. And clearly you don’t drive Conn Ave or the other roads in the morning. It would be a nightmare to go back and forth twice a day.
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Post 03/18/2022 19:22     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.


Well, that would be nice, but where is the plot of land big enough?


They could have bought the land Walmart would have gone on that will now be Kaiser. Or how about where the Kmart was? There are options.


Were any of these plots 35 acres? That's what they need for a high school.


The Kmart site is pretty big. They could also make a speciality school for arts for down-county and just not offer football or big sports. Lots of options.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 19:16     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from
Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.


FTLOG, Einstein and Blair and WJ are far over capacity. Woodward is being reopened explicitly to relieve their overcrowding, and to a lesser extent Wheaton's too. Once Woodward reopens, there is no reason to continue to have kids learning in portables at all these schools. It would be irresponsible not to utilize the new space that's made available after spending all the money to build the new school.
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Post 03/18/2022 19:12     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired then, because there are plenty of posts here ignoring that the stated purpose of Woodward is to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC, not WJ first and then the DCC if possible, or WJ and a 500 seat magnet and then the DCC if possible. Nowhere has MCPS committed to reserving 500 seats at Woodward for a county wide magnet. There are also multiple split articulation MS in MCPS, they do not need to keep the Tilden cluster together, especially when talking about a HS whose whole purpose is to alleviate overcrowding at multiple HS.

You are a weird person. Like the person that keeps arguing about the BOE putting diversity above other factors. Give it a rest already. You seem to lack both reading comprehension and common sense.


There's nothing weird about what this PP said at all. They're right on all counts.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2022 18:31     Subject: Re:latest updates on Woodward
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?


This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.


I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired then, because there are plenty of posts here ignoring that the stated purpose of Woodward is to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC, not WJ first and then the DCC if possible, or WJ and a 500 seat magnet and then the DCC if possible. Nowhere has MCPS committed to reserving 500 seats at Woodward for a county wide magnet. There are also multiple split articulation MS in MCPS, they do not need to keep the Tilden cluster together, especially when talking about a HS whose whole purpose is to alleviate overcrowding at multiple HS.

You are a weird person. Like the person that keeps arguing about the BOE putting diversity above other factors. Give it a rest already. You seem to lack both reading comprehension and common sense.