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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

Quoting myself here just to emphasize it isn’t that it is the number of schools, of course a pilot is small, but that it is piloted at specific schools and the results will be extrapolated to all but the targeted of pilot schools skews the results.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the "anti-equity" posters (the nicest way to put it) are getting fired up again on limited info and LOADS of speculations.

Spin, spin, spin!

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

Well, rolling out massive changes geared toward restructuring elementary and middle school math wouldnt happen overnight. Thats why we are in this pilot. Ultimately they would balance AAP and non-AAP ES and MS to be the same eventually, if this were to go forward. The equity would be in everyone being on the same track. I mean I would hope they would make these changes county wide. Who knows. If they didnt, that would be the height of inequity lol!

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

Well, rolling out massive changes geared toward restructuring elementary and middle school math wouldnt happen overnight. Thats why we are in this pilot. Ultimately they would balance AAP and non-AAP ES and MS to be the same eventually, if this were to go forward. The equity would be in everyone being on the same track. I mean I would hope they would make these changes county wide. Who knows. If they didnt, that would be the height of inequity lol!

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

Anonymous wrote:I would also be concerned if I had a child that doesn’t do as well with math concepts learning E3. It sounds like the goal is to get more kids ready for Math 7 honors in middle school and Algebra in 8th. If that’s the case, are they leaving kids who would have been on grade level in the old system behind?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

Fair enough, and I think part of my view is calling it equity is even pretty debatable when it is only being piloted at some schools and it doesn’t seem they were chosen at random but targeted.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

I agree and dont like the lack of transparency or defined plan. Im just trying to frame the issue in a way that is understandable from the perspective of FCPS and not be inflammatory about the changes. Right now we dont know anything except there are changes afoot and equity is still a large focus of FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

I guess it depends what you mean by in each others faces. As I live in one of these neighborhoods, it means the kids know who stayed and who left. They will know who does what in MS. They will all be together in HS. These are kids in sports or scouts or swim team together. They are not unaware. I dislike watching neighborhood kids all around kinda being experimented on.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please share a list of the E3 model pilot school?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

Oh you are definitely correct. The discrepencies would be between Level IV MS and the E3 MS. But they wont be in the kids faces.

Ultimately if that happens, that probably just means its a matter of time before they equalize the MS AAP plan to include clustered LLIV in the e3 schools or remove AAP in the others. I may sell may sell my home depending on what shakes out of the next few months.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.

Yes and no - our base is one of these schools and this is a large part of why we opted to go to the AAP center instead of staying at the base. Our base could not even say which math SOL would be offered to those students in 6th grade. That then means different options in middle school so there will be peer discrepancies, just perhaps not amongst the students who stay at the base school and have reduced opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a 4th grader in the E3 pilot, I am more concerned with my child learning the same math skills generally as the peers he'll be going to middle school with. If E3 continues in 5th and 6th, is the content the same that other 5th and 6th graders in our pyramid are learning? If not, what happens when they all meet up in 7th grade - at any level - 7th General Math, Math 7 Honors, or Algebra as 7th graders. Whatever level they are, as a parent, it's a little nerve-wracking to have your child piloting a new math curriculum. Especially since we've gotten no insight into content differences between E3 and whatever everyone else is doing is called. I guess we'll see how the pilot kids do on the SOL . . .

You concerns are valid. Thats why these schools were chosen. I suspect that the next 10 schools of the pilot will be part of the existing middle school pyramids, so that there isnt any peer discrepancies. Or not many.