Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 20:30     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There were a couple performances that I thought didn’t go very well that J&T we’re praising.

I miss the days when actually skating to the music meant something.


Watch Jason Brown in the men’s short program in a couple of days, and you’ll see the music mean something - a lot!


Jason Brown is an absolutely gorgeous skater...who unfortunately doesn't have the jumps to compete for a medal at this point. And I honestly think they made the wrong call sending him instead of that 17 year old kid from this area.

As for the person thinking I meant that NO ONE is able to do this (put together a program with great choreography to the music) - no, that was not what I meant. There are definitely skaters who put it all together - usually the top ones with really great choreographers. But I really feel like the new point system in skating, as well as gymnastics, has made these sports less about grace and more about throwing in every high level trick possible. There was one male skater last night that you could tell had no feel for his music and the choreography didn't go with it at all.

And don't get me started on the point system awarding someone who tries a quad and wipes out higher than someone who lands all their triple jumps cleanly. There was one at the last Olympics who fell twice and scored higher than a skater with a beautiful clean program.


I am that person, and I didn't say no one is able to put it together. I said that under the old system - just like right now, under the new system - the skaters who could put EVERYTHING - the jumps, the spins, the choreo, the artistry together - were in the minority. Most competitions were just like they are now - a sea of ordinariness with a few standouts. 'twas so in 1980 and it is so today. You're pretending that everyone was graceful and complete under the old system and that just isn't so.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 20:29     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Ok, someone tell me wtf is happening with the broadcast right now?
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 20:27     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for Zhu or Beverly or whatever she wants to call herself. She didn't just abandon the country she grew up in (the US) but she also gave up her citizenship. She's stuck over there after publicly failing which even more than the U.S. is extremely nationalistic about their Olympians and representation. Sucks for her.



Now you're being silly.

1. Zhu didn't switch to representing China to win a medal, everyone and their aunt knows she is not competitive for medal spots. But, and it's a big but, she got to go to the Olympics and probably a few other competitions, which would have never happened had she stayed with the American team. Probably has ample ice time, good coaches, nice choreographers, and her parents don't need to remortgage their house to pay for it. She probably wouldn't have made it out of sectionals here! Do you know what it costs to keep a child in elite skating? $50K a year, easily.

2. She can retrieve her US passport whenever she feels like it. If she relinquished her citizenship in 2018, that means she was 16 and her decisions mean diddly. She can walk into any US embassy, show her birth certificate, and get her passport back.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 20:06     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for Zhu or Beverly or whatever she wants to call herself. She didn't just abandon the country she grew up in (the US) but she also gave up her citizenship. She's stuck over there after publicly failing China which even more than the U.S. is extremely nationalistic about their Olympians and representation. Sucks for her.



I thought they said she trains here?


I think you're thinking of Karen Chen. Zhu left the U.S. in 2018 and changed her name + citizenship to compete for China.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 20:02     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for Zhu or Beverly or whatever she wants to call herself. She didn't just abandon the country she grew up in (the US) but she also gave up her citizenship. She's stuck over there after publicly failing China which even more than the U.S. is extremely nationalistic about their Olympians and representation. Sucks for her.



I thought they said she trains here?
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 19:17     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
I feel sorry for Zhu or Beverly or whatever she wants to call herself. She didn't just abandon the country she grew up in (the US) but she also gave up her citizenship. She's stuck over there after publicly failing China which even more than the U.S. is extremely nationalistic about their Olympians and representation. Sucks for her.

Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 19:11     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There were a couple performances that I thought didn’t go very well that J&T we’re praising.

I miss the days when actually skating to the music meant something.


Watch Jason Brown in the men’s short program in a couple of days, and you’ll see the music mean something - a lot!


Jason Brown is an absolutely gorgeous skater...who unfortunately doesn't have the jumps to compete for a medal at this point. And I honestly think they made the wrong call sending him instead of that 17 year old kid from this area.

As for the person thinking I meant that NO ONE is able to do this (put together a program with great choreography to the music) - no, that was not what I meant. There are definitely skaters who put it all together - usually the top ones with really great choreographers. But I really feel like the new point system in skating, as well as gymnastics, has made these sports less about grace and more about throwing in every high level trick possible. There was one male skater last night that you could tell had no feel for his music and the choreography didn't go with it at all.

And don't get me started on the point system awarding someone who tries a quad and wipes out higher than someone who lands all their triple jumps cleanly. There was one at the last Olympics who fell twice and scored higher than a skater with a beautiful clean program.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 18:36     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In contrast a lot of Asian females are literally falling in their routines. Including Karen Chen. This one wasn't as bad as Yi who fell twice and ran straight into a wall.




Not sure why you think their Asian-ness has anything to do with their falling.

By the way, Zhu Yi, the skater representing China, was born in LA, and she’s catching heck from Chinese media today for her poor performance.


Who said their race had anything to do with them falling? They're literally the only ones falling though. But yes - Zhu Yi is getting hell, especially because the Chinese netizens think she was given a spot representing China over a deserving Chinese native named Chen Hongyi who apparently is world's better.



A bunch of the men fell or landed badly or downgraded their jumps as well.


Who? Vincent Zhou bailed on a jump mid-air but he didn’t fall.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 18:35     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In contrast a lot of Asian females are literally falling in their routines. Including Karen Chen. This one wasn't as bad as Yi who fell twice and ran straight into a wall.




Not sure why you think their Asian-ness has anything to do with their falling.

By the way, Zhu Yi, the skater representing China, was born in LA, and she’s catching heck from Chinese media today for her poor performance.


Who said their race had anything to do with them falling? They're literally the only ones falling though. But yes - Zhu Yi is getting hell, especially because the Chinese netizens think she was given a spot representing China over a deserving Chinese native named Chen Hongyi who apparently is world's better.



Who? Vincent Zhou bailed on a jump mid-air but he didn’t fall.

A bunch of the men fell or landed badly or downgraded their jumps as well.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 15:30     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Karen Chen is American. Why is pp talking about “Asian skaters”?


Because they are disgusting

Yes, original PP you brought race into it, don't act coy now
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 15:16     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:There were a couple performances that I thought didn’t go very well that J&T we’re praising.

I miss the days when actually skating to the music meant something.


I don't understand this thinking. You're looking at the past through your misty pink goggles. In the past, it was exactly like it is now: a field of competent if dull skaters, and a handful of standouts. You cannot seriously tell me that Medvedeva's performance in 2018 meant nothing as far as skating to the music. Or Kim Yu Na at pretty much any competition. Or Kamila's today. I mean look at Anna Scherbakova's Firebird performance. If you say it means nothing musically, that's BS.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 14:29     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:There were a couple performances that I thought didn’t go very well that J&T we’re praising.

I miss the days when actually skating to the music meant something.


Watch Jason Brown in the men’s short program in a couple of days, and you’ll see the music mean something - a lot!
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 13:45     Subject: 2022 Olympics
There were a couple performances that I thought didn’t go very well that J&T we’re praising.

I miss the days when actually skating to the music meant something.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 12:58     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In contrast a lot of Asian females are literally falling in their routines. Including Karen Chen. This one wasn't as bad as Yi who fell twice and ran straight into a wall.




Not sure why you think their Asian-ness has anything to do with their falling.

By the way, Zhu Yi, the skater representing China, was born in LA, and she’s catching heck from Chinese media today for her poor performance.


Who said their race had anything to do with them falling? They're literally the only ones falling though. But yes - Zhu Yi is getting hell, especially because the Chinese netizens think she was given a spot representing China over a deserving Chinese native named Chen Hongyi who apparently is world's better.



A bunch of the men fell or landed badly or downgraded their jumps as well.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2022 12:50     Subject: 2022 Olympics
The Russian skater is incredible. She got lucky that the Olympic year is her year, as the PP said. And yes, sad that there is no longer any real longevity (a repeat Olympic medal)