Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
I don't think it matters if you or the school agree with the EO. Our school has said previously that the Governor's EOs take precedent, It's only an option. I'm sure most people will continue masking in small private communities even if its an option.
I don’t think it matters what your school says about whether EOs take precedence over codified law or not.
I don't think the law applies to privates. But the EO does,
Most of the private schools were set up when schools were integrated. If an EO could not force them to integrate, EO will not force them to remove masks. EO only apply to government workers. I do not know if it will apply to students because they are not employees of the government. The courts will have to sort that out and they seem not likely to go a long with it. Also local government can require greater health and safety procedures vs the state.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
I don't think it matters if you or the school agree with the EO. Our school has said previously that the Governor's EOs take precedent, It's only an option. I'm sure most people will continue masking in small private communities even if its an option.
I don’t think it matters what your school says about whether EOs take precedence over codified law or not.
I don't think the law applies to privates. But the EO does,
Anonymous wrote:Now that Youngkin is dropping the school mask mandate in Virginia which private schools are no longer requiring masks? Not a political debate, just wondering how schools are handling it.
Anonymous wrote:DC goes to a VA private that has been mask optional since August, and absolutely no one where a mask - students or staff. No shutdowns either.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
I don't think it matters if you or the school agree with the EO. Our school has said previously that the Governor's EOs take precedent, It's only an option. I'm sure most people will continue masking in small private communities even if its an option.
I don’t think it matters what your school says about whether EOs take precedence over codified law or not.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
I don't think it matters if you or the school agree with the EO. Our school has said previously that the Governor's EOs take precedent, It's only an option. I'm sure most people will continue masking in small private communities even if its an option.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
1) “school boards” concern public, municipal schools and doesn’t cover privates and 2) I would like to see a definition of “practicable”. To me that’s the trigger word. What one school thinks is practicable and another will not.
I’m not sure around here but near Richmond I expect Hanover and New Kent to make masks discretionary after the 24th. I am from Richmond and have some contacts who teach in the big privates down there and they’re telling me many of their schools are on the fence. It’s not a done deal one way or the other. The big concern seems to be discipline against a student/family who won’t wear a mask after the 24th. As of now they are sent to the office and can be suspended. But after the 24th does the school still want to take this approach?
Re your point 1), that is the question. Does Youngkin’s EO2 apply to privates? Meaning a private cannot require masks after this week? The quoted statute applies to publics, but Yougkin’s EO seems to apply to any school, unless there is something implied in it that applies only to publics. If it does apply to privates, then we have an anomolous situation where he has more exerted more authority over private schools that he can over public ones.
As much as the right-wing seems to ridicule the left for virtue signaling, the irony is this is a symbolic act to signal to his base. ACPS, APS and FCPS have already indicate they will disregard it.
As I understand it, Youngkin's order cancelled Northam's previous order and in that previous order it seemed to apply to ALL school's and universities (including privates). I was on the board of a NOVA private when Covid hit in spring 2020 and a similar discussion was held re school's closures: Does the Governor have authority over privates and it was determined in some cases he does (at least for that school). So the easy part at the time was to say "We can go along with the order" and in 2020 that made sense. My term expired and I am no longer on the board so I do not know what current discussions are taking place.
However, to speculate, this new order is worded in an interesting way that seems to make it more difficult for a private school to go against because it gives the power to parents, literally in the wording. It also has a long list of educational categories (schools, school boards etc) and I don't see definitions in the order. So now you will have parents that will push back because of this wording. I am very interested to see how this plays out (my own personal masks position aside). I believe whoever wrote this order knew exactly what they were writing and it is all intentional. I think the pendulum leans more towards the parents here. One thing privates might have going for them is that contract renewals are coming up, and it's a seller's market for privates, so parents might not want to make waves until they sign their renewal contracts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
1) “school boards” concern public, municipal schools and doesn’t cover privates and 2) I would like to see a definition of “practicable”. To me that’s the trigger word. What one school thinks is practicable and another will not.
I’m not sure around here but near Richmond I expect Hanover and New Kent to make masks discretionary after the 24th. I am from Richmond and have some contacts who teach in the big privates down there and they’re telling me many of their schools are on the fence. It’s not a done deal one way or the other. The big concern seems to be discipline against a student/family who won’t wear a mask after the 24th. As of now they are sent to the office and can be suspended. But after the 24th does the school still want to take this approach?
Re your point 1), that is the question. Does Youngkin’s EO2 apply to privates? Meaning a private cannot require masks after this week? The quoted statute applies to publics, but Yougkin’s EO seems to apply to any school, unless there is something implied in it that applies only to publics. If it does apply to privates, then we have an anomolous situation where he has more exerted more authority over private schools that he can over public ones.
As much as the right-wing seems to ridicule the left for virtue signaling, the irony is this is a symbolic act to signal to his base. ACPS, APS and FCPS have already indicate they will disregard it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
1) “school boards” concern public, municipal schools and doesn’t cover privates and 2) I would like to see a definition of “practicable”. To me that’s the trigger word. What one school thinks is practicable and another will not.
I’m not sure around here but near Richmond I expect Hanover and New Kent to make masks discretionary after the 24th. I am from Richmond and have some contacts who teach in the big privates down there and they’re telling me many of their schools are on the fence. It’s not a done deal one way or the other. The big concern seems to be discipline against a student/family who won’t wear a mask after the 24th. As of now they are sent to the office and can be suspended. But after the 24th does the school still want to take this approach?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Not sure why you think that. Northam’s EO was consistent with CDC recommendations, while Youngkin’s is contrary to it. Here is what VA Code says about it:
§ 2. Each school board shall offer in-person instruction to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public elementary and secondary school for at least the minimum number of required instructional hours and to each student enrolled in the local school division in a public school-based early childhood care and education program for the entirety of the instructional time provided pursuant to such program. For the purposes of this act, each school board shall (i) adopt, implement, and, when appropriate, update specific parameters for the provision of in-person instruction and (ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does lifting the masking mandate only apply to public schools? I’m confused.
Privates can do whatever they want now.
The mandate covered all k-12 schools. The crazy thing is Youngkin is even trying to prohibit private schools from requiring masks, if you read the language of the order.
“A child whose parent has elected that he or she is not subject to a mask mandate should not be required to wear a mask under any policy implemented by a teacher, school, school district, the Department of Education, or any other state authority.”
What happened to letting private entities make their own decisions without government interference?
Privates that followed the Northam EO will need to follow the Youngkin EO.