Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 07:40     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.


No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.


Really? I think the majority are fine. I would never elect for one without medical necessity, but no need to fear monger.

I had two. With my first, I never went into labor and my cervix never dilated, and it was 12 days after my due date. They offered to induce labor but were clear that I was likely to end up with an emergency c-section anyway. It turned out that my baby was happily floating in an abundance of amniotic fluid so labor wouldn’t have occurred in its own.

The second was a scheduled c-section because a VBAC would’ve had a low likelihood of success. I’m grateful we made that choice because when they went in they discovered a hole in my uterus that would have made natural childbirth very dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 07:12     Subject: So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:No one has brought it up yet so I will - injuries to babies from vaginal birth can result in brain damage and profound disability. It happened to my sibling. I don’t have a child yet but I hope to and my OBGYN already promised me a c section. If any expectant mom witnessed what my family went through, I think she would have a c section too. The outcome from a bad vaginal birth is horrific.



That happened to one of my siblings, too, so I completely understand you perspective. My mom's other 5 vaginal deliveries went well, both the one before and those after my injured sibling. I never thought about mode of delivery until I was pregnant. I was terrified, no matter how the baby would be delivered. Turns out, I had complete placenta previa and no choice, except c section. It was planned. Everything went well, except I had an allergic reaction to a medication they used on my skin. Recovery was bad, between the festering rash and pain and constipation. For my second, I wasn't given a choice, it would be a c section. That delivery and recovery were much better, except they delivered my son too early and he had to stay in the nicu.

All of this to say, women need better maternity care. Birth injuries to the baby or mother should notoccur so frequently.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 05:28     Subject: So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
No one has brought it up yet so I will - injuries to babies from vaginal birth can result in brain damage and profound disability. It happened to my sibling. I don’t have a child yet but I hope to and my OBGYN already promised me a c section. If any expectant mom witnessed what my family went through, I think she would have a c section too. The outcome from a bad vaginal birth is horrific.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 05:08     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the responses but with a c-section you lose out on the good stuff the baby gets going through the birth canal.

“Babies undergo a process during a vaginal birth that readies their lungs, which are filled with fluid in the womb, to breathe oxygen after birth,” Dr. Starck says. Babies born via C-section can have respiratory issues with extra fluid in their lungs at birth because they don’t have the chance to undergo this process.

“Babies born vaginally also receive a dose of good bacteria as they travel through the birth canal,” Dr. Starck says. This may boost the baby’s immune system and protect the intestinal tract.

Other benefits of vaginal birth include:

Faster recovery time for the mother.
Less risk of complication for future births.
Higher rate of successful breastfeeding.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-you-should-carefully-weigh-c-section-against-a-vaginal-birth/


Hogwash on the recovery. I had a forceps delivery and it hurt to sit down and have sex for years! My C section recovery was easy
By comparison.

Also hogwash about nursing. I nursed both kids successfully with both modes of delivery.

The respiratory issues my son had ended the moment his lungs were suctioned, which was a far less deal
Than having to go get my newborn’s skill x rated for a massive hematoma caused by being stuck in the birth canal so long.

The microbiome stuff also is kind of dumb. Is there peer reviewed evidence yet on why these differences are so bad?

Also to the poster going on about adhesions and scar tissue I have plenty of scar tissue from vaginal years and adhesions from
Having surgery for pelvic organ prolapse which is also major abdominal surgery! And often one that requires hysterectomy.


Not PP, but these are population level studies. On average, vaginal birth has faster recovery time; of course not always. The numbered list posted on the first page is about right, I think: vaginal delivery where things go wrong is worse than c section where things go right but easy vaginal delivery is easier than easy c section. The catch is of course you can’t guarantee it will be easy and that things will go well. So it’s personal choice which risks you want to take.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 01:07     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the responses but with a c-section you lose out on the good stuff the baby gets going through the birth canal.

“Babies undergo a process during a vaginal birth that readies their lungs, which are filled with fluid in the womb, to breathe oxygen after birth,” Dr. Starck says. Babies born via C-section can have respiratory issues with extra fluid in their lungs at birth because they don’t have the chance to undergo this process.

“Babies born vaginally also receive a dose of good bacteria as they travel through the birth canal,” Dr. Starck says. This may boost the baby’s immune system and protect the intestinal tract.

Other benefits of vaginal birth include:

Faster recovery time for the mother.
Less risk of complication for future births.
Higher rate of successful breastfeeding.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-you-should-carefully-weigh-c-section-against-a-vaginal-birth/


Hogwash on the recovery. I had a forceps delivery and it hurt to sit down and have sex for years! My C section recovery was easy
By comparison.

Also hogwash about nursing. I nursed both kids successfully with both modes of delivery.

The respiratory issues my son had ended the moment his lungs were suctioned, which was a far less deal
Than having to go get my newborn’s skill x rated for a massive hematoma caused by being stuck in the birth canal so long.

The microbiome stuff also is kind of dumb. Is there peer reviewed evidence yet on why these differences are so bad?

Also to the poster going on about adhesions and scar tissue I have plenty of scar tissue from vaginal years and adhesions from
Having surgery for pelvic organ prolapse which is also major abdominal surgery! And often one that requires hysterectomy.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 00:46     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Haven't read all the responses but with a c-section you lose out on the good stuff the baby gets going through the birth canal.

“Babies undergo a process during a vaginal birth that readies their lungs, which are filled with fluid in the womb, to breathe oxygen after birth,” Dr. Starck says. Babies born via C-section can have respiratory issues with extra fluid in their lungs at birth because they don’t have the chance to undergo this process.

“Babies born vaginally also receive a dose of good bacteria as they travel through the birth canal,” Dr. Starck says. This may boost the baby’s immune system and protect the intestinal tract.

Other benefits of vaginal birth include:

Faster recovery time for the mother.
Less risk of complication for future births.
Higher rate of successful breastfeeding.


https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-you-should-carefully-weigh-c-section-against-a-vaginal-birth/
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 00:31     Subject: So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem with c-sections is that they are major surgery, and often unnecessary. You don't "just go in and have it done in 15 minutes". I had two, both with infections after and very slow recoveries.

That being said, I can't imagine a vaginal delivery. Sounds like hell to me unless the epidural is timed just right. If you need a c-section, then you need one.


This is really not true for everyone. I had three c sections. The first one was an emergency (a real one sanctimonious pp! I was awake because I’d already had my epidural placed when it happened and there was a half hour (I think they called it emergent). But my organs were failing from HELLP, my blood pressure was spiking and my four pound baby was having heart decelerations. Anyway, recovering from THAT sucked and took awhile. But my next two are scheduled and it basically was go in, sit around for an hour, go into surgery for 45 minutes, recover in a comfortable room. I was walking within a few hours every time and basically back to normal by 2 weeks out.

Now I’m not saying my experience is more valid than yours but there are just as many people who will say their planned c c sections were simple and easy as women who will say that about a vaginal birth. There are also equally horrific stories about the destruction of women’s pelvic floor in vaginal birth. All you can do is look at average outcomes and again, that list posted earlier is a pretty accurate reflection of the reality of outcomes.


I didn't indicate that it was true for everyone. Infections certainly played a role in my delayed recovery. There was another momwhose surgery was the same day as mine. She was getting herself down the hall before I could get myself out of bed. I was jealous.

Op, do what you need to. I hope all goes well. Everyone's experience is different.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2022 00:27     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
My cousin had 5 kids. The last two were delivered by c-section and she says those two were the easiest.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:53     Subject: So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:The problem with c-sections is that they are major surgery, and often unnecessary. You don't "just go in and have it done in 15 minutes". I had two, both with infections after and very slow recoveries.

That being said, I can't imagine a vaginal delivery. Sounds like hell to me unless the epidural is timed just right. If you need a c-section, then you need one.


This is really not true for everyone. I had three c sections. The first one was an emergency (a real one sanctimonious pp! I was awake because I’d already had my epidural placed when it happened and there was a half hour (I think they called it emergent). But my organs were failing from HELLP, my blood pressure was spiking and my four pound baby was having heart decelerations. Anyway, recovering from THAT sucked and took awhile. But my next two are scheduled and it basically was go in, sit around for an hour, go into surgery for 45 minutes, recover in a comfortable room. I was walking within a few hours every time and basically back to normal by 2 weeks out.

Now I’m not saying my experience is more valid than yours but there are just as many people who will say their planned c c sections were simple and easy as women who will say that about a vaginal birth. There are also equally horrific stories about the destruction of women’s pelvic floor in vaginal birth. All you can do is look at average outcomes and again, that list posted earlier is a pretty accurate reflection of the reality of outcomes.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:17     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
I didn’t want abdominal surgery just to have a baby. I practiced self-hypnosis and giving birth wasn’t that bad.

My dad was cut open for abdominal surgery and had health issues all his life. No thanks!
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:13     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.


No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.


And again, some more: I never said otherwise, and would never say otherwise.

See the difference? I didn’t say something inaccurate, dismissive, and offensive. Save your objections to things I actually say and points I actually make.

Please calm down.


Yep, there it is. The straw you grasp when you can’t admit you were wrong.


Seriously calm down, crazy lady!!!!


Yes, a woman with a different view from yours is “crazy.” If that’s the look you want to go for, by all means.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:07     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.


No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.


And again, some more: I never said otherwise, and would never say otherwise.

See the difference? I didn’t say something inaccurate, dismissive, and offensive. Save your objections to things I actually say and points I actually make.

Please calm down.


Yep, there it is. The straw you grasp when you can’t admit you were wrong.


Seriously calm down, crazy lady!!!!
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:05     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.


No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.


And again, some more: I never said otherwise, and would never say otherwise.

See the difference? I didn’t say something inaccurate, dismissive, and offensive. Save your objections to things I actually say and points I actually make.

Please calm down.


Yep, there it is. The straw you grasp when you can’t admit you were wrong.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 23:04     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
I hate the "c-sections are so often unnecessary" argument. Lots of things are unnecessary, including pain medication in labor, and that doesn't make them bad choices.

I had a c-section because I wanted one. No medical reason, other than labor sounding like a drag. Very happy with my decision.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 22:59     Subject: Re:So what exactly is the problem with C-Sections?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.


No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.


And again, some more: I never said otherwise, and would never say otherwise.

See the difference? I didn’t say something inaccurate, dismissive, and offensive. Save your objections to things I actually say and points I actually make.

Please calm down.