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Anonymous wrote:^^That is, this is specifically NOT to be "used to inform clinical practice." Thanks.

That’s true of the vast majority of recent studies. No one is saying this is gospel, and we aren’t clinicians. We are discussing what this may portend if true on terns of infection and long term risk. Precautionary principle is always based on limited info.

Fair enough, but then it should be discussed with explicit caveats, because a lot of preprint stuff never gets printed or gets markedly changed because of significant problems that come up on peer review.

Instead of sensible, thoughtful discussion, we get this:

You should catch up on your reading, neuroscientist….

As I stated, I'm not the neuroscientist, but -- I suspect the neuroscientist isn't bringing the myriad preprint articles into discussion because they know better than to do that. That's not a problem with the neuroscientist.

That fact is, it's gotten much harder to have sensible, thoughtful discussion on here at all in the past several months, even among people who would probably get along fine in real life. People make so many assumptions about one another and use ad hominem. I know it's what is to be expected on DCUM, but the Health forum used to be a bit less of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

Everything I’m reading just says the dominant variant in France is Omicron, but then again I don’t spend all day furiously F5ing Twitter for the latest breathless variant news.

Yes, DCUM is far more noble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1

You’re really stretching the definition of “discovered in France” considering how the article literally says “origin in Cameroon,” aka another poor, underdeveloped country with a very low vaccine rate.

And like we’ve all been saying … these variants will continue to develop forever and ever as long as the developing world remains largely unvaccinated. Your 6th booster isn’t going to help when billions of people remain unvaccinated.

It was identified in Aix en Provence in local patients, "discovered in France" are yours, and not my words. Having a Cameroon origin doesn't change that. Omicron was identified in South Africa, but probably originated in Botswana. Not sure why you are nitpicking - I agree that we need to vax the world as soon as humanly possible. I worry more about those who haven't had a chance at any shot if more virulent variants develop. This whole battle lines crap is so exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:^^That is, this is specifically NOT to be "used to inform clinical practice." Thanks.

That’s true of the vast majority of recent studies. No one is saying this is gospel, and we aren’t clinicians. We are discussing what this may portend if true on terns of infection and long term risk. Precautionary principle is always based on limited info.

Fair enough, but then it should be discussed with explicit caveats, because a lot of preprint stuff never gets printed or gets markedly changed because of significant problems that come up on peer review.

Instead of sensible, thoughtful discussion, we get this:

You should catch up on your reading, neuroscientist….

As I stated, I'm not the neuroscientist, but -- I suspect the neuroscientist isn't bringing the myriad preprint articles into discussion because they know better than to do that. That's not a problem with the neuroscientist.

Neuroscientist PP here and yes, thank you. I got so annoyed with the selective quoting that I didn’t even get a chance to state this obvious fact. A lot can change during the peer review process. I guarantee the reviewers are going to tell the authors to tone down their conclusions about mild and symptomatic cases. They use just two out of the 44 patients — 28 and 36 — to try to make this conclusion. Patient 28 was obese with some sort of pre-existing thromboembolic condition and patient 36 was a child with Dravet syndrome which is a pretty serious neurological condition. And the child was intubated! One of the comments on the preprint points out that this procedure can cause the virus to be spread to other organs via the bloodstream. We simply cannot make conclusions about healthy young(ish) vaccinated people who experience mild illness based on these findings.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

Everything I’m reading just says the dominant variant in France is Omicron, but then again I don’t spend all day furiously F5ing Twitter for the latest breathless variant news.

Yes, DCUM is far more noble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1

You’re really stretching the definition of “discovered in France” considering how the article literally says “origin in Cameroon,” aka another poor, underdeveloped country with a very low vaccine rate.

And like we’ve all been saying … these variants will continue to develop forever and ever as long as the developing world remains largely unvaccinated. Your 6th booster isn’t going to help when billions of people remain unvaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:^^That is, this is specifically NOT to be "used to inform clinical practice." Thanks.

That’s true of the vast majority of recent studies. No one is saying this is gospel, and we aren’t clinicians. We are discussing what this may portend if true on terns of infection and long term risk. Precautionary principle is always based on limited info.

Fair enough, but then it should be discussed with explicit caveats, because a lot of preprint stuff never gets printed or gets markedly changed because of significant problems that come up on peer review.

Instead of sensible, thoughtful discussion, we get this:

You should catch up on your reading, neuroscientist….

As I stated, I'm not the neuroscientist, but -- I suspect the neuroscientist isn't bringing the myriad preprint articles into discussion because they know better than to do that. That's not a problem with the neuroscientist.

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Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

You’re really naive

Of course you do. Do you think the populace of Taiwan is naive? Not everyone is getting omicron, that’s just a fact.

Maybe everyone’s not getting omicron but everyone’s getting Covid in some form

Not even everyone got measles, so no.

Everyone is gonna get it is what people say to justify giving up. They are too selfish or lazy to make even slight modifications for the common good.

What a silly statement. I’m triple vaxxed, wear masks, etc. but I also go to eat at restaurants occasionally, shut for groceries in person etc. I have made slight modifications, but I’m still entirely of the belief that we’ll all get it and that we need to learn to exist and live with it

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Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

You’re really naive

Of course you do. Do you think the populace of Taiwan is naive? Not everyone is getting omicron, that’s just a fact.

Maybe everyone’s not getting omicron but everyone’s getting Covid in some form

Not even everyone got measles, so no.

Everyone is gonna get it is what people say to justify giving up. They are too selfish or lazy to make even slight modifications for the common good.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

You’re really naive

Of course you do. Do you think the populace of Taiwan is naive? Not everyone is getting omicron, that’s just a fact.

Maybe everyone’s not getting omicron but everyone’s getting Covid in some form

Not even everyone got measles, so no.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

Everything I’m reading just says the dominant variant in France is Omicron, but then again I don’t spend all day furiously F5ing Twitter for the latest breathless variant news.

Yes, DCUM is far more noble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1

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Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

You’re really naive

Of course you do. Do you think the populace of Taiwan is naive? Not everyone is getting omicron, that’s just a fact.

Maybe everyone’s not getting omicron but everyone’s getting Covid in some form

Anonymous wrote:^^That is, this is specifically NOT to be "used to inform clinical practice." Thanks.

That’s true of the vast majority of recent studies. No one is saying this is gospel, and we aren’t clinicians. We are discussing what this may portend if true on terns of infection and long term risk. Precautionary principle is always based on limited info.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take away is - avoid getting COVID.

If you already have it or had it, there is nothing much you can do. Maybe start eating more flaxseed and anti-inflammatory foods like turmeric and doing more sudoku.

You can’t avoid it at this point unless you live alone and become a shut-in.

Not everyone will get it and risk is higher during an Omicron type situation compared to Delta. I am hoping the variant in Southern France peters out because it sounds a bit worse.

You’re really naive

Of course you do. Do you think the populace of Taiwan is naive? Not everyone is getting omicron, that’s just a fact.

I covid got, and the brain stuff still work-eee good.

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone will get it. That's how vaccines work. Some people will get it despite being vaccinated and some will not. Regardless I'd still rather do my best not to get it until we know more about treatments, potential long term consequences and the direction of these variants. I also have a deep respect and gratitude for our health care providers and don't want to do anything to make their lives more difficult than they already are. Not hiding, just being precise, selective and practical.

(Thank you so much, and best wishes!)

Not everyone will get it. That's how vaccines work. Some people will get it despite being vaccinated and some will not. Regardless I'd still rather do my best not to get it until we know more about treatments, potential long term consequences and the direction of these variants. I also have a deep respect and gratitude for our health care providers and don't want to do anything to make their lives more difficult than they already are. Not hiding, just being precise, selective and practical.