Emory and Rice at best are similar to Cornell. Yes Rice has very high test scores but it's name brand and reputation don't exactly match. Vandy is closer to Brown/Dartmouth and Duke is UPenn level. Although technically not southern WashU is Cornell level as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Northern snobs can enjoy their cold and a bastion of our old society. Fact is these southern ivies are more fun, better weather, better vibe and the same education.

Get over yourself.

And the poster is correct. Look at avg test scores with these schools. Vanderbilt, Duke and Rice are the same or higher than all the Ivys. Emory is the same as the lower Ivys.

You may not like the truth. But it's the truth.

"Southern Ivys"?

The most southern IVY is Penn.

You're a dolt. You know that Duke, Vanderbilt and Emory are called Southern Ivys.

And Rice.

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Anonymous wrote:Northern snobs can enjoy their cold and a bastion of our old society. Fact is these southern ivies are more fun, better weather, better vibe and the same education.

Get over yourself.

And the poster is correct. Look at avg test scores with these schools. Vanderbilt, Duke and Rice are the same or higher than all the Ivys. Emory is the same as the lower Ivys.

You may not like the truth. But it's the truth.

"Southern Ivys"?

The most southern IVY is Penn.

You're a dolt. You know that Duke, Vanderbilt and Emory are called Southern Ivys.

Anonymous wrote:Northern snobs can enjoy their cold and a bastion of our old society. Fact is these southern ivies are more fun, better weather, better vibe and the same education.

Get over yourself.

And the poster is correct. Look at avg test scores with these schools. Vanderbilt, Duke and Rice are the same or higher than all the Ivys. Emory is the same as the lower Ivys.

You may not like the truth. But it's the truth.

"Southern Ivys"?

The most southern IVY is Penn.

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Anonymous wrote:Emory is in a more international city. Has a spike in Healthcare/Public health.

Wash U has gamed the rankings.

No. Emory.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/20/emory-misreported-admissions-data-more-decade

10 years ago?? Wash U solicits people relentlessly. They are obsessed with yield. Ridiculous.

Agreed and they are all about candidate interest. Tracking your visits and instagram and Facebook clicks. That hardly feels like a higher educational mission.

Feels a lot like Tulane and UChicago.

Seriously? How do they do that? That's extremely disturbing.

They did change that for this application season - but it was as bad as Tulane before this year.

https://admissions.wustl.edu/announcements/new-demonstrated-interest-policy-effective-immediately/

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Anonymous wrote:Emory is in a more international city. Has a spike in Healthcare/Public health.

Wash U has gamed the rankings.

No. Emory.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/20/emory-misreported-admissions-data-more-decade

10 years ago?? Wash U solicits people relentlessly. They are obsessed with yield. Ridiculous.

Agreed and they are all about candidate interest. Tracking your visits and instagram and Facebook clicks. That hardly feels like a higher educational mission.

Feels a lot like Tulane and UChicago.

Seriously? How do they do that? That's extremely disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory is in a more international city. Has a spike in Healthcare/Public health.

Wash U has gamed the rankings.

No. Emory.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/20/emory-misreported-admissions-data-more-decade

10 years ago?? Wash U solicits people relentlessly. They are obsessed with yield. Ridiculous.

Agreed and they are all about candidate interest. Tracking your visits and instagram and Facebook clicks. That hardly feels like a higher educational mission.

Feels a lot like Tulane and UChicago.

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Anonymous wrote:Emory is in a more international city. Has a spike in Healthcare/Public health.

Wash U has gamed the rankings.

No. Emory.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/20/emory-misreported-admissions-data-more-decade

10 years ago?? Wash U solicits people relentlessly. They are obsessed with yield. Ridiculous.

Northern snobs can enjoy their cold and a bastion of our old society. Fact is these southern ivies are more fun, better weather, better vibe and the same education.

Get over yourself.

And the poster is correct. Look at avg test scores with these schools. Vanderbilt, Duke and Rice are the same or higher than all the Ivys. Emory is the same as the lower Ivys.

You may not like the truth. But it's the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good article about America’s elite, their cognitive abilities and their education. Note the colleges mentioned and their ranking. One can argue which colleges are better than others, etc. but, in the end, the elite vote with their feet (and tuition) by which colleges they attend.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/56143/wai-americas-elite-2013.pdf

This study is deeply flawed and I suspect has an agenda attached to it. I don't have time to point out all the problems with it, but they are many and significant. I will never subscribe to Psychology Today based upon their decision to publish it.

It doesn't even cite the highly regarded study by Krueger and Berg-Dale that showed over a decade ago that the reason so many highly accomplished people attended highly selective colleges is because those colleges get first pick of the most highly accomplished and capable high school students. Their subsequent success was due to who they are, not where they went. How can you completely ignore the previous research that most contradicts your hypothesis and expect people to take you seriously?

You're missing the point. Clearly there are limitations to the study (which study doesn't). For one, it uses certain "elite" colleges as a proxy for intelligence, elitism, and probably prestige. But isn't that what many on this forum are doing?

Anonymous wrote:Emory is in a more international city. Has a spike in Healthcare/Public health.

Wash U has gamed the rankings.

No. Emory.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/08/20/emory-misreported-admissions-data-more-decade

Anonymous wrote:This is a good article about America’s elite, their cognitive abilities and their education. Note the colleges mentioned and their ranking. One can argue which colleges are better than others, etc. but, in the end, the elite vote with their feet (and tuition) by which colleges they attend.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/56143/wai-americas-elite-2013.pdf

This study is deeply flawed and I suspect has an agenda attached to it. I don't have time to point out all the problems with it, but they are many and significant. I will never subscribe to Psychology Today based upon their decision to publish it.

It doesn't even cite the highly regarded study by Krueger and Berg-Dale that showed over a decade ago that the reason so many highly accomplished people attended highly selective colleges is because those colleges get first pick of the most highly accomplished and capable high school students. Their subsequent success was due to who they are, not where they went. How can you completely ignore the previous research that most contradicts your hypothesis and expect people to take you seriously?

This is a good article about America’s elite, their cognitive abilities and their education. Note the colleges mentioned and their ranking. One can argue which colleges are better than others, etc. but, in the end, the elite vote with their feet (and tuition) by which colleges they attend.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/56143/wai-americas-elite-2013.pdf

Anonymous wrote:WashU, Emory and Rice are no-name schools. Vanderbilt is maybe equivalent to or a little lower than the lower Ivies (Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell), while Duke is probably equal or a little higher.

Says the person who didn’t make it to any of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is Rising - Look at the exploding application numbers and prestige.

Harvard/Yale/Princeton = Duke/Rice
Columbia = Vanderbilt
Brown/Penn/Cornell/Dartmouth =Emory

Look at avg ACT/SAT rates and application rates and you'll see the gap has closed. People are interested in better life styles and weather.

Hahahahaha oh this is a new level of pathetic

We’ll the numbers don’t lie. The poster is not wrong.

What numbers? Those schools are not equivalent in any way. Vanderbilt = Columbia? Duke/Rice = HYP?! LOL.

NP--And upon what numbers are you basing your out-loud laughter? There is essentially no difference in the quality of an education at any of the schools mentioned in this thread. Compare them on your choice of numbers available in their Common Data sets.

Regardless, what matters is not the school anyway, but the individual and what they make of the school. This was shown to be true over a decade ago by Alan Krueger and Stacy Berg-Dale......

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1871566

If there is no difference than shouldn't all the schools be equal then?

You should read the paper. It's very, very interesting. I can see how the way I phrased it above makes it sound like I think all schools are equal, but that's not what I mean. Sorry for the imprecise wording. What I meant is that those who apply to schools of a given level of selectivity and are turned down at all of them but accepted at a school or schools a bit less selective will not have any less opportunity for a successful career. The same is true for those who ARE accepted at more selective schools but turn them down for a less selective school, for whatever reason.

Anecdotally, my cousin's daughter turned down Hopkins and Penn to attend Catholic U. She liked the scholarship and the traditional Catholic education they offered. In four years, she earned both a bachelor's degree and a Master's in biomedical engineering, and she had a job as a researcher at NIH waiting for her upon graduation. She regrets nothing.

If you like anecdotes, I'd suggest Where You Go is not Who You'll Be, by NYT journalist Frank Bruni. If you prefer data, this website is loaded with it...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/