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Anonymous wrote:The Ivies will always be special, they can't be surpassed -- there is no substitute for HUNDREDS of years of history and traditions. Especially now with every kid going to college and basically all universities being over-enrolled degree mills with no unique identity. Colleges are simply cookie-cutter homogenized businesses at this point, while Ivies remain a truly unique niche brand -- and keep small enrollment sizes and hyper-selectivity. No amount of money can replicate what the Ivies offer. Think about it, what would it take to try and "make" even a lower Ivy? Not that this sort of money realistically even exists, but say Jeff Bezos hypothetically doubled Vanderbilt's ($10bn to $20bn) or Williams' ($4bn to $8bn) endowments, are they suddenly Ivy tier in a few years? No, they're not.

Nobody goes to Harvard to study. They go there to make connections and network.

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies will always be special, they can't be surpassed -- there is no substitute for HUNDREDS of years of history and traditions. Especially now with every kid going to college and basically all universities being over-enrolled degree mills with no unique identity. Colleges are simply cookie-cutter homogenized businesses at this point, while Ivies remain a truly unique niche brand -- and keep small enrollment sizes and hyper-selectivity. No amount of money can replicate what the Ivies offer. Think about it, what would it take to try and "make" even a lower Ivy? Not that this sort of money realistically even exists, but say Jeff Bezos hypothetically doubled Vanderbilt's ($10bn to $20bn) or Williams' ($4bn to $8bn) endowments, are they suddenly Ivy tier in a few years? No, they're not.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivies will always be special, they can't be surpassed -- there is no substitute for HUNDREDS of years of history and traditions. Especially now with every kid going to college and basically all universities being over-enrolled degree mills with no unique identity. Colleges are simply cookie-cutter homogenized businesses at this point, while Ivies remain a truly unique niche brand -- and keep small enrollment sizes and hyper-selectivity. No amount of money can replicate what the Ivies offer. Think about it, what would it take to try and "make" even a lower Ivy? Not that this sort of money realistically even exists, but say Jeff Bezos hypothetically doubled Vanderbilt's ($10bn to $20bn) or Williams' ($4bn to $8bn) endowments, are they suddenly Ivy tier in a few years? No, they're not.

The Ivy’s HAD unique identities. Now they are degree mills for students selected for any number of attributes (legacy, development case, First Gen, URM, athletic recruits) none of which have anything to do with academics. Why do they love test optional? Because it increases their application numbers and makes them look “selective” while they continue their social experiment without anyone questioning the qualifications of the students they are admitting. Everyone knows that Ivy students can coast once they get in. There are dozens of fine universities that have admission stats that are effectively the same as the Ivy’s that do a much better job of educating undergraduates. The bloom is off these schools and this is just the beginning.

Translation: My kid attends second-rung Chicago, Northwestern, WashU or Hopkins.

DP, but WashU? No one considers WashU in the company of those three other schools. The other three schools also happen to be better than at least 3 Ivies across a wide range of metrics and rankings, so it's a moot point.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivies will always be special, they can't be surpassed -- there is no substitute for HUNDREDS of years of history and traditions. Especially now with every kid going to college and basically all universities being over-enrolled degree mills with no unique identity. Colleges are simply cookie-cutter homogenized businesses at this point, while Ivies remain a truly unique niche brand -- and keep small enrollment sizes and hyper-selectivity. No amount of money can replicate what the Ivies offer. Think about it, what would it take to try and "make" even a lower Ivy? Not that this sort of money realistically even exists, but say Jeff Bezos hypothetically doubled Vanderbilt's ($10bn to $20bn) or Williams' ($4bn to $8bn) endowments, are they suddenly Ivy tier in a few years? No, they're not.

The Ivy’s HAD unique identities. Now they are degree mills for students selected for any number of attributes (legacy, development case, First Gen, URM, athletic recruits) none of which have anything to do with academics. Why do they love test optional? Because it increases their application numbers and makes them look “selective” while they continue their social experiment without anyone questioning the qualifications of the students they are admitting. Everyone knows that Ivy students can coast once they get in. There are dozens of fine universities that have admission stats that are effectively the same as the Ivy’s that do a much better job of educating undergraduates. The bloom is off these schools and this is just the beginning.

Translation: My kid attends second-rung Chicago, Northwestern, WashU or Hopkins.

DP, but WashU? No one considers WashU in the company of those three other schools. The other three schools also happen to be better than at least 3 Ivies across a wide range of metrics and rankings, so it's a moot point.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools that feel “strivery” are annoying. Doesn’t mean the education isn’t just fine but not what they comport themselves to be. o

Examples: U chicago (while a good school for sure, the kids and school feel like they are trying too too hard) , Tulane, Wash U, NYU.

Says the state school grad. It’s better to strive than to be out of the game altogether.

Paying more for a private school does not make you more elite, haha. Would take Berkeley “state school” non-striver over a gross Uchicago “wanna-be Ivy” any day.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwestern

There's like one or two people on here who have a veeeeeeery specific and obsessive hate-bon*r for Northwestern. It's very odd.

No it isn’t. Either they or their child dud t get in. So they have to bash because they are bitter.

Perhaps. I find it obsessive because they happen to know very specific details about Northwestern and its alumni and show up almost any time Northwestern is mentioned on here.

Ok so they are an alum and their legacy kid didn’t get in. Sour grapes. Happened to my kid at Yale and Harvard but I don’t come here and bash on those schools. Same with UVA -instate parents get upset that they’ve passed d taxes but the school is too small and requisite stats. Atop high for their kids to even apply. Happened to my DC so they went to GMU. She just wasn’t a contender and her high school advised accordingly.

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There's like one or two people on here who have a veeeeeeery specific and obsessive hate-bon*r for Northwestern. It's very odd.

No it isn’t. Either they or their child dud t get in. So they have to bash because they are bitter.

Perhaps. I find it obsessive because they happen to know very specific details about Northwestern and its alumni and show up almost any time Northwestern is mentioned on here.

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There's like one or two people on here who have a veeeeeeery specific and obsessive hate-bon*r for Northwestern. It's very odd.

No it isn’t. Either they or their child dud t get in. So they have to bash because they are bitter.

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There's like one or two people on here who have a veeeeeeery specific and obsessive hate-bon*r for Northwestern. It's very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:The Ivies will always be special, they can't be surpassed -- there is no substitute for HUNDREDS of years of history and traditions. Especially now with every kid going to college and basically all universities being over-enrolled degree mills with no unique identity. Colleges are simply cookie-cutter homogenized businesses at this point, while Ivies remain a truly unique niche brand -- and keep small enrollment sizes and hyper-selectivity. No amount of money can replicate what the Ivies offer. Think about it, what would it take to try and "make" even a lower Ivy? Not that this sort of money realistically even exists, but say Jeff Bezos hypothetically doubled Vanderbilt's ($10bn to $20bn) or Williams' ($4bn to $8bn) endowments, are they suddenly Ivy tier in a few years? No, they're not.

Delusional, bet you this is a Cornell booster. No one like to shout "ivy" more than them.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

Hands down - UVA - the Harvard of the South

The Harvard of the South would be Duke

UVA is the Tufts of the South

UVA is much better than Tufts at its best.