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Anonymous wrote:Treating someone entirely as an object and not a human being is a sin.

But treating them like property is fine, and authorized, and you are given guidelines for doing so, new testament and old.

Ephesians 6:5-8
Exodus 21

Christians are not bound to the ordinances given to Moses by God as part of the covenant between God and Moses's people. Those were nailed to the cross. But not 10 commandments.

Nobody’s bound to it. But it’s in there.

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Anonymous wrote:Treating someone entirely as an object and not a human being is a sin.

But treating them like property is fine, and authorized, and you are given guidelines for doing so, new testament and old.

Ephesians 6:5-8
Exodus 21

Christians are not bound to the ordinances given to Moses by God as part of the covenant between God and Moses's people. Those were nailed to the cross. But not 10 commandments.

So as long as you are 'sorry' after homosexual sex or sexy thoughts you should be OK, instant forgiveness from God. That makes sense (not).

So being in a loving, committed gay marriage that last years is turning away from God? I absolutely refuse to believe this, whatever any church says. Those men who cared for partners dying of AIDS in the 80s? God was there, even when everyone else turned away.

Uh, then you leave your church, bro!

Anonymous wrote:Treating someone entirely as an object and not a human being is a sin.

But treating them like property is fine, and authorized, and you are given guidelines for doing so, new testament and old.

Ephesians 6:5-8
Exodus 21

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So as long as gay couples marry, they shouldn't be going against church doctrine. Got it.

No. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and there is no gay marriage in the Bible. For example, read Romans 1:26-27 and 32. That's post-Jesus too.

The Bible is totally clear that homosexuality is a sin. Even after Jesus came. It's irrefutable.

But, Jesus said we should not judge others, and the Bible says you break one commandment you break them all. In short, we are ALL sinners, including church goers, so we shouldn't judge other people's sin. We need to keep the focus on ourselves.

Romans are Paul’s letters, this isn’t from Jesus. Many don’t regard Paul the same way as Jesus.

Who gave you authority higher than the author of Romans? Or who do you know who proclaims it to be blasphemy? Stop woman

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Anonymous wrote:My church teaches that homosexuality is not a sin but homosexual acts are. So I would explain that gently and lovingly to my child. She wants to be a nun so it's not like she'd be giving up anything she's not already planning to give up.

That's pretty crazy. What church teaches that BS?

All of them.

That’s what every church that has an issue with homosexuality teaches.

What? I thought churches taught that you could commit adultery by lusting in your MIND. So just thinking of adultery was a sin.....and thinking about homosexual sex is not a sin? What a bunch of BS.

How does this make no sense to you? Wanting to do something and actually doing it are not the same thing.

a). Not lusting after your neighbor’s wife and not committing adultery are two separate commandments. They aren’t the same thing.

b) I don’t think we are talking about married people here.
It’s not a sin to want to be with someone when you are both single.

If you are single isn’t it a sin anyway? The thought of being with someone (lust) or actually being with someone (fornication)?

No. Treating someone entirely as an object and not a human being is a sin.

Look, in the end, that’s not really the point. The point is not thinking about sex vs having sex. The point is that if you have sinned, and you are sorry for it, it’s forgiven.
The question is whether or not to be sorry for it.

No one says that you are going to be separated from Good if you are homosexual or have homosexual thoughts. What they say is that if you are engaging in those actions, you know they are taking you further from your relationship with God, and you decide not to turn around, then you are effectively choosing not to be with God.

Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

Yikes. If your social circle is full of bigots, specifically people bigoted against your child, you should be quite comfortable starting over and finding new friends.

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Anonymous wrote:My church teaches that homosexuality is not a sin but homosexual acts are. So I would explain that gently and lovingly to my child. She wants to be a nun so it's not like she'd be giving up anything she's not already planning to give up.

That's pretty crazy. What church teaches that BS?

All of them.

That’s what every church that has an issue with homosexuality teaches.

What? I thought churches taught that you could commit adultery by lusting in your MIND. So just thinking of adultery was a sin.....and thinking about homosexual sex is not a sin? What a bunch of BS.

How does this make no sense to you? Wanting to do something and actually doing it are not the same thing.

a). Not lusting after your neighbor’s wife and not committing adultery are two separate commandments. They aren’t the same thing.

b) I don’t think we are talking about married people here.
It’s not a sin to want to be with someone when you are both single.

If you are single isn’t it a sin anyway? The thought of being with someone (lust) or actually being with someone (fornication)?

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So as long as gay couples marry, they shouldn't be going against church doctrine. Got it.

No. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and there is no gay marriage in the Bible. For example, read Romans 1:26-27 and 32. That's post-Jesus too.

The Bible is totally clear that homosexuality is a sin. Even after Jesus came. It's irrefutable.

But, Jesus said we should not judge others, and the Bible says you break one commandment you break them all. In short, we are ALL sinners, including church goers, so we shouldn't judge other people's sin. We need to keep the focus on ourselves.

Romans are Paul’s letters, this isn’t from Jesus. Many don’t regard Paul the same way as Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So as long as gay couples marry, they shouldn't be going against church doctrine. Got it.

No. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and there is no gay marriage in the Bible. For example, read Romans 1:26-27 and 32. That's post-Jesus too.

The Bible is totally clear that homosexuality is a sin. Even after Jesus came. It's irrefutable.

But, Jesus said we should not judge others, and the Bible says you break one commandment you break them all. In short, we are ALL sinners, including church goers, so we shouldn't judge other people's sin. We need to keep the focus on ourselves.

It's actually very refutable.

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Anonymous wrote:My church teaches that homosexuality is not a sin but homosexual acts are. So I would explain that gently and lovingly to my child. She wants to be a nun so it's not like she'd be giving up anything she's not already planning to give up.

That's pretty crazy. What church teaches that BS?

All of them.

That’s what every church that has an issue with homosexuality teaches.

What? I thought churches taught that you could commit adultery by lusting in your MIND. So just thinking of adultery was a sin.....and thinking about homosexual sex is not a sin? What a bunch of BS.

How does this make no sense to you? Wanting to do something and actually doing it are not the same thing.

a). Not lusting after your neighbor’s wife and not committing adultery are two separate commandments. They aren’t the same thing.

b) I don’t think we are talking about married people here.
It’s not a sin to want to be with someone when you are both single.

In b) lust is lust. You should think about someone because you love them not because you lust them.

I’m guessing that you haven’t been married long.

I guess you don't understand love.

Church doctrine is not the Word of God, and I maintain the Bible is not a black-and-white instruction manual of "dos" and "don'ts." I left a church whose doctrine was exclusionary and rooted in 20 centuries of fear -- fear of losing power. I joined a church whose doctrine is inclusionary and recognizes that God -- above all else -- is love. Not "love" in a rom-com or sappy sense, but "love" as God's continuous acceptance and ongoing presence through the peaks and valleys of one's life.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone could screenshot or link to where it says in the Bible that 2 people of same gender in love are going to hell I would appreciate it.

Minister here. It doesn’t exist.

I must have a different version of the bible.

eviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13

The Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament has two references condemning homosexuality: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

There's more in there.

yes in this part of the Bible they are talking to the Jews, the chosen ones, about how to live their life. Leviticus also says not to eat shrimp and pork but I don’t see anyone up in arms about that. It’s literally the same section of the Bible.

this us correct. No idea why Christian’s bring up Leviticus. It’s for the Jewish.

Yep. Jesus made a point of saying his followers didn’t need to follow all the older rules, mostly they just need to love each other and love God.

Romans 1:26-27
Acts 15:29

Jesus said to love one another, he didn't say only love the opposite sex.

Um, he meant platonically. You cannot be serious.

Sexually, he instructed we should be celibate, but if we cannot, we should "marry."

So as long as gay couples marry, they shouldn't be going against church doctrine. Got it.

No. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong and there is no gay marriage in the Bible. For example, read Romans 1:26-27 and 32. That's post-Jesus too.

The Bible is totally clear that homosexuality is a sin. Even after Jesus came. It's irrefutable.

But, Jesus said we should not judge others, and the Bible says you break one commandment you break them all. In short, we are ALL sinners, including church goers, so we shouldn't judge other people's sin. We need to keep the focus on ourselves.