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Anonymous wrote:I Believe it’s what’s being sold to them, OP. It’s more the Disney culture than anything. My mom was saying that in the 1950’s there were “hobos”, ghosts, Addams Family and Munsters characters but very few Cinderella’s because they only saw Cinderella once in the theater. My mom has great pictures of herself dressed as Paul McCartney and her siblings as John, George and Ringo. Once she went as cousin It.

I was not as Princess orientated as my DD is because I didn’t watch as much princess crap.

This is my gripe with Disney princesses, and Spiderman, or any other corporate/commercial character that's out there. Parents are the gatekeepers, kids don't have a biological need/desire to dress like a Disney princess or Batman, and posters who don't acknowledge this are annoying. Sure, your kid will grow out of it, but how did your kid grow into it?

OP is also very annoying.

Kids don't have a biological need to do much of anything. I don't gatekeep things that aren't harmful, why would I?

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Anonymous wrote:I Believe it’s what’s being sold to them, OP. It’s more the Disney culture than anything. My mom was saying that in the 1950’s there were “hobos”, ghosts, Addams Family and Munsters characters but very few Cinderella’s because they only saw Cinderella once in the theater. My mom has great pictures of herself dressed as Paul McCartney and her siblings as John, George and Ringo. Once she went as cousin It.

I was not as Princess orientated as my DD is because I didn’t watch as much princess crap.

This is my gripe with Disney princesses, and Spiderman, or any other corporate/commercial character that's out there. Parents are the gatekeepers, kids don't have a biological need/desire to dress like a Disney princess or Batman, and posters who don't acknowledge this are annoying. Sure, your kid will grow out of it, but how did your kid grow into it?

OP is also very annoying.

Who. Cares. Teach your kids that they don't get everything they want, including Disney princess or Batman themed everything, then let them be the social creatures they are and enjoy whatever popular thing is hot in kindergarten that year. My kid is really a free spirit, but still enjoys the things that all of the other kids are talking about along with whatever random passion she's into at the moment. It's a way to find common interests and be social. It's not an indication of their OR YOUR character. Just follow your kid's lead and don't overthink everything. It truly doesn't matter.

Anonymous wrote:I Believe it’s what’s being sold to them, OP. It’s more the Disney culture than anything. My mom was saying that in the 1950’s there were “hobos”, ghosts, Addams Family and Munsters characters but very few Cinderella’s because they only saw Cinderella once in the theater. My mom has great pictures of herself dressed as Paul McCartney and her siblings as John, George and Ringo. Once she went as cousin It.

I was not as Princess orientated as my DD is because I didn’t watch as much princess crap.

This is my gripe with Disney princesses, and Spiderman, or any other corporate/commercial character that's out there. Parents are the gatekeepers, kids don't have a biological need/desire to dress like a Disney princess or Batman, and posters who don't acknowledge this are annoying. Sure, your kid will grow out of it, but how did your kid grow into it?

OP is also very annoying.

Anonymous wrote:We really need to cancel all the princess costumes.

Sarcasm aside, in the post princess world, what costumes will be acceptable for girls, according to people like OP?

We really need to cancel all the princess costumes.

Thinking girly things are inherently worthless is the definition of misogyny.

Kim Kardashian founded and runs a billion dollar company. You sound really ignorant.

Anonymous wrote:Just FYI since you've clearly never seen either Frozen move. Elsa is some mystical immortal Earth spirit with magic powers that control the elements. And Elsa and Anna are both rulers (i.e., Queens, not princesses) that manage trade relationships with neighboring kingdoms and are leaders that have the loyalty of the people they rule. I don't love Disney, and I didn't love the princess phase, but you've CLEARLY never seen those movies and are just making assumptions based on Disney from a generation ago. Hate on the consumerism and whatever other hundred things that are hateable about Disney, but for Pete's sakes, at least see the movies before you judge so harshly.

+1

Also, Anna is a redhead.

Mine wears princess, mermaid, vampire, dragon rider, tiger and pirate costumes. She doesn’t think she’s any of those things. It’s play. I was initially upset about the whole concept of princess too, but really it’s all just fancy dress. Pretty clothes feel good. I’m ok with that. She’s not taking on a damsel persona.

I Believe it’s what’s being sold to them, OP. It’s more the Disney culture than anything. My mom was saying that in the 1950’s there were “hobos”, ghosts, Addams Family and Munsters characters but very few Cinderella’s because they only saw Cinderella once in the theater. My mom has great pictures of herself dressed as Paul McCartney and her siblings as John, George and Ringo. Once she went as cousin It.

I was not as Princess orientated as my DD is because I didn’t watch as much princess crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I a bad person that I have a visceral reaction when I see girls in traditional princess costumes? If they’re non-traditional like Mulan or Leia (ie people who actually DO something) I’m okay with it. Even the Frozen princesses who are so popular nowadays seem to just exist to be blonde and pretty. Btw I have a 5yo and so far we’ve been doing creative/neutral costumes like doctor or monkey, but she’s starting to get influenced by her K classmates :-/

I don’t think you are a bad person, but it is bad. You may want to think about getting therapy to understand why it bothers you so much.

Oh I know why it bothers me - because I respect (and want DD to emulate) people who do things rather than people who are just pretty. Same reason I prefer Elena Kagan to Kim Kardashian. But yes, I should recognize it’s a phase, likely fueled by peer pressure, and has little bearing on future interests.

Newsflash OP. Sometimes pretty women can "do things" too. Kim Kardashian is actually not just pretty. She's gotten super involved in criminal justice issues and has accomplished a lot. To use your own example.

What you are doing is judging women based on their appearance and interests and assuming they bring nothing else to the table other than those things. Which is a you problem and probably some internalized misogyny.

Ya think? Didn't notice SuperMom OP here judging little boys that dress up as Storm Troopers or famous serial killers: it's just the girls who need professionally aspirational and at MOST moderately attractive interests.

Agreed. Liberal feminist mom of two daughters who dressed in pretty and feminine costumes this year. Get over yourself, OP.

Halloween isn't about dressing like what you respect or emulate. Major eye roll to OP. I'm pretty sure DS doesn't actually want to be a lion when he grows up.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I a bad person that I have a visceral reaction when I see girls in traditional princess costumes? If they’re non-traditional like Mulan or Leia (ie people who actually DO something) I’m okay with it. Even the Frozen princesses who are so popular nowadays seem to just exist to be blonde and pretty. Btw I have a 5yo and so far we’ve been doing creative/neutral costumes like doctor or monkey, but she’s starting to get influenced by her K classmates :-/

I don’t think you are a bad person, but it is bad. You may want to think about getting therapy to understand why it bothers you so much.

Oh I know why it bothers me - because I respect (and want DD to emulate) people who do things rather than people who are just pretty. Same reason I prefer Elena Kagan to Kim Kardashian. But yes, I should recognize it’s a phase, likely fueled by peer pressure, and has little bearing on future interests.

Newsflash OP. Sometimes pretty women can "do things" too. Kim Kardashian is actually not just pretty. She's gotten super involved in criminal justice issues and has accomplished a lot. To use your own example.

What you are doing is judging women based on their appearance and interests and assuming they bring nothing else to the table other than those things. Which is a you problem and probably some internalized misogyny.

Ya think? Didn't notice SuperMom OP here judging little boys that dress up as Storm Troopers or famous serial killers: it's just the girls who need professionally aspirational and at MOST moderately attractive interests.

Agreed. Liberal feminist mom of two daughters who dressed in pretty and feminine costumes this year. Get over yourself, OP.

Anonymous wrote:Being viscerally annoyed by little girls' interests is not as progressive as you think it is.

Absolutely this.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe that being fem negates being smart. I have my PhD in statistics, am working in my field, and love makeup and feeling ::gasp:: pretty. My daughter is 5 and loves princesses. She is also bilingual, obsessed with doing math and puzzles. So I guess, OP, you’re just not as open minded as you think you are.

and even if your daughter didn't like math or hated puzzles or was monolingual....THAT'S OK TOO! I get where people are going when they say stuff like this but I kind of hate when people feel the need to follow up their "my daughter likes princesses but she also likes [insert non-stereotypically feminine activity]" as if a girl needs to also like [insert non-stereotypically feminine activity] to be "ok" or to get those progressive points.

My daughter (now 22 and in her first year of graduate school to become a speech pathologist) loved princesses as a kid. She liked ballet. She had a learning disability in math. School never came easily for her- college was an uphill battle and grad school has been so far, too. She's always been interested in hair, makeup, fashion, and shopping (you should see the girl thrift!). She's shy and can be emotional and doesn't have a big personality. She's a natural with kids and loves to babysit (still!). Everything about her is a "girly girl." And that's 100% OK.

I’m not a fan either and since DD didn’t do screens (no princess movies) she wants that interested. Now that she’s 8, she was a pony for Halloween.