Anonymous wrote:Non college grad who earns 375-400,000 annually in sales. Never had student loan debt and have been on my own and saving since 19.

Will not be pushing my kids into college. If they want to go, great, ive saved for it. But I won’t be pushing them. The math on what 4 years of college at the SLAC i chose, vs the money I put away and compounded is substantial.

Anonymous wrote:The belief that most kids should go to college is a scam, yes.

I live and teach high school in Germany. Fewer than half of German high school students go to university because many people aren't suited to higher academic work and quality of university standards needs to be consistent across the country. Society needs and values people in the trades, like plumbers, electricians, hair stylists, etc, so there are appropriate specialised high schools where students best suited to those fields can receive training and apprenticeship support to successfully enter their chosen fields. We don't look down on the trades or try to encourage a child who isn't academic to struggle and strive for university at all costs with no backup plan here.

America has made university a business and everyone is catching on that US universities are not consistent in quality and weaker students who don't belong in university just pay to attend weaker universities. This is why university costs a fortune in America and is free in Germany.

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

So Biden has non-college grad's tax dollars pay off other people's college loans. If your statement is so true, explain that.

I am genuinely confused by the question. What does Biden's proposal (which I don't support), have to do with the significant "difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads.?" Maybe your question belongs in the Politics forum?

Why should those with "significant"ly more income have their student loans paid by those non-college grad taxes who make significantly less? You are saying Biden wants the poor to pay off the rich's student loans. If college degrees pay so much, why can't college graduates pay off their own loans? Or why aren't they getting paid off by alumni donors as opposed to hard-working, non-college grads?

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

So Biden has non-college grad's tax dollars pay off other people's college loans. If your statement is so true, explain that.

I am genuinely confused by the question. What does Biden's proposal (which I don't support), have to do with the significant "difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads.?" Maybe your question belongs in the Politics forum?

Why should those with "significant"ly more income have their student loans paid by those non-college grad taxes who make significantly less? You are saying Biden wants the poor to pay off the rich's student loans. If college degrees pay so much, why can't college graduates pay off their own loans? Or why aren't they getting paid off by alumni donors as opposed to hard-working, non-college grads?

I don't know why. Has zilch to do with the difference in salaries between college gards and non-college grads though.

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

So Biden has non-college grad's tax dollars pay off other people's college loans. If your statement is so true, explain that.

I am genuinely confused by the question. What does Biden's proposal (which I don't support), have to do with the significant "difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads.?" Maybe your question belongs in the Politics forum?

Why should those with "significant"ly more income have their student loans paid by those non-college grad taxes who make significantly less? You are saying Biden wants the poor to pay off the rich's student loans. If college degrees pay so much, why can't college graduates pay off their own loans? Or why aren't they getting paid off by alumni donors as opposed to hard-working, non-college grads?

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

So Biden has non-college grad's tax dollars pay off other people's college loans. If your statement is so true, explain that.

I am genuinely confused by the question. What does Biden's proposal (which I don't support), have to do with the significant "difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads.?" Maybe your question belongs in the Politics forum?

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

So Biden has non-college grad's tax dollars pay off other people's college loans. If your statement is so true, explain that.

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Anonymous wrote:College is not trade school.

It also shouldn't be judged by "ROI," but if you must look at college degree that way, just look at the difference in salary/income earned by college grads vs. non-college grads. It's significant.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on what type of work you enjoy doing. Two of my sons love working Line Clearance (cutting trees off power lines). They did not go to college. They are foremen at the same company. Dangerous job, but someone has to keep the power on. I raised my kids to follow their hearts. My 18 yr old daughter decided to get a job and work and save $ and then decide whether or not she wanted to go to college. She is more interested in traveling than college. Another of my sons works for a military contractor. My youngest is planning to go to college so that he can enter the military as an Officer. To each, his own.

Right, but...traveling costs $$$. And, clearing tree lines is tough physical work especially at 45+ years old. My DH got sick and had to go through treatment but he can still do his desk job. I had to have shoulder surgery and it took months before I could use that arm again. Reaching overhead took the longest. But I only missed a day of work from my desk job. How long could your kids reasonably take off work for these types of situations (illnesses)?

Anonymous wrote:Bill mahre was talking about this on his show saying that people are paying a fortune on degrees, than waiting tables anyway, because it’s hard to find work. He also said most people don’t even need degrees. What are your thoughts?

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No one is really "full pay" at a nonprofit college; the endowment is helping to pay.

College rankings are something of a scam; a top-whatever school isn't generally that different from a school twenty points lower, and the lower-ranked school may be a better fit for a lot of kids.

Yes, I concur. The quality of education isn't that different, but the outcomes can be significantly different. Even among the T20, the Ivies and Stanford+MIT place much better (per capita) in top professional schools, finance, consulting, tech (generally the most profitable industries) over similarly ranked non-ivies and opens more doors to elite jobs. Top hedge funds, quant trading firms, private equity recruit ivy leaguers straight out of undergrad without even the need for a MBA.

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But one of the biggest ones is the way Americans value jobs and professions. Because we are hyper-capitalist, we value jobs according to how much they pay. Jobs that pay the most are valued the most, not just by the people in those jobs but by everyone. We assume lawyers, people in finance, doctors, etc. are better and more important people because they get paid a lot of money. And thus we assume people working low-wage work are less worthwhile because they are doing low-wage work.

So everyone wants to go to college here because the highest paid jobs generally require higher education (most exceptions involve work that is either dangerous or very inconvenient). People look down on those without college degrees or people who do trade work because it's lower paid. There is little general appreciation for the idea that in order for society to function, we need people in all different roles. And then of course there is almost no social safety net to help ensure that people working in lower paid trade jobs still have a a good standard of living. All these decisions feed each other. It's a cultural issue.

If we had cultural values beyond money, it would be easier to see this. But at this point money an the pursuit of money is our most fundamental national principle.