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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

FYI, you are the only person on this forum looking to expand beyond the 12 month age window by forcing grade year on some but not all kids.

Pure deflection.

What you really want is to play down 36 month older players against correct grade players.

People see though you.

Considering whatever you've been rooting for has lost; staying BY, SY+30, SY+60, forcing grade year only on August kids, convincing kids to play up when not ready, convincing leagues and clubs to let parents choose to play up when they aren't the best; it seems showcases going grad year is a slam dunk to start any day now.

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

FYI, you are the only person on this forum looking to expand beyond the 12 month age window by forcing grade year on some but not all kids.

Pure deflection.

What you really want is to play down 36 month older players against correct grade players.

People see though you.

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

FYI, you are the only person on this forum looking to expand beyond the 12 month age window by forcing grade year on some but not all kids.

Pure deflection.

What you really want is to play down 36 month older players against correct grade players.

People see though you.

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

FYI, you are the only person on this forum looking to expand beyond the 12 month age window by forcing grade year on some but not all kids.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

The kids who do this go in knowing this and wanting it because they want to play at the highest level possible. One club has 2 teams at the top level. You can play HS OR maybe other sports but they'll put you there.

Regardless, there's value in playing HS, especially the social aspect, BUT it's not for everyone, especially the most elite, at least in my area, and especially if your HS would be steps down. I've seen other posters say HS play is very deep/strong where they are that. That certainly may affect things.

No HS soccer its 100% good for everyone.

Well, of course, everyone plays by grade!

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Fear mongering alert. Going with a 12 month age window for league play solves this, whoops already done.

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

If play downs / holdbacks are allowed they will be potentially 36 months older than the youngest correct grade player.

This is because HS allows players to be held back 2 times.

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Or instead of dealing with all the issues with workarounds just play Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team and all the issues go away.

Why just August players? What about Sept-Dec players who are also a grade ahead of most teammates? And then wha about Jan to July kids who started early? And at that point why not just do grad year?

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

The kids who do this go in knowing this and wanting it because they want to play at the highest level possible. One club has 2 teams at the top level. You can play HS OR maybe other sports but they'll put you there.

Regardless, there's value in playing HS, especially the social aspect, BUT it's not for everyone, especially the most elite, at least in my area, and especially if your HS would be steps down. I've seen other posters say HS play is very deep/strong where they are that. That certainly may affect things.

No HS soccer its 100% good for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

The kids who do this go in knowing this and wanting it because they want to play at the highest level possible. One club has 2 teams at the top level. You can play HS OR maybe other sports but they'll put you there.

Regardless, there's value in playing HS, especially the social aspect, BUT it's not for everyone, especially the most elite, at least in my area, and especially if your HS would be steps down. I've seen other posters say HS play is very deep/strong where they are that. That certainly may affect things.

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Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?