Anonymous wrote:I’m confused as to why people are saying there’s no monetary value to the PGA credential. Producers get huge backend on movies. It’s actually why it’s really rare for a producer not to have been involved in fundraising and development and they often use a little bit of their own money to have skin in the game.

Blake missed that part of the requirement for the pga credit as she was not brought on until the movie was well developed and getting ready to shoot so she tried to make up for it in the other two phases of the requirements. But I’m pretty sure being a producer means she got backend and that is money out of Wayfair’s pocket so there is monetary value to it.

Also, if the rumors are true that Colleen Hoover had a sexual harassment clause for Justin to develop the sequel, it certainly seems Blake was trying to get chummy with Colleen Hoover, it can certainly be argued that she was trying to get the rights to the second movie which clearly has monetary value.

People waiving off Taylor’s involvement are either being naïve or deliberately obtuse. Blake threatened to not use the my tears ricochet song in the marketing of the film, which clearly has a lot of relevance to how much money the film is going to make - a Taylor Swift song in your previews is going to get people interested and watching.

It will be interesting to see if the lawyers get into the weeds on thing of value. I would argue the PGA credit is not. I would support a petition to look into rescinding her credit but I do not believe the credit is a thing of value for the purpose of extortion. Thinking along the line of this definition https://definitions.uslegal.com/a/anything-of-value/

The credit is not really something you can exchange for money. My understanding is it's a matter of prestige. AFAIK it doesn't effect the backend. If it did, then I would reconsider. I thought Blake already had a credit. If Wayfarer and Justin lost money because of it they need to make that argument explicitly. They are suing for extortion so they are the ones who must show they meet the elements.

I would also point out they technically didn't give her the credit. They wrote a letter of support.

The movie rights I believe are a thing of value. It's a contract that can be sold to someone else for money. They would need to make a clear argument about what threats were made and to whom. The idea that they might have done this or that is too speculative. A more classic example of extortion would be "sign over the rights or ill break your legs." IMO they have to argue there was explicitly something done by Lively and co that was like "sign over the rights or we go to the press" whereas the argument I see being made in his complaint is just generally that she was pushing for more power and there was this looming threat in Justin‘s mind that she might go to the press and lie about SH. His complaint would need to be significantly reworked IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I disagree because what I've noticed is that in the last few weeks, the vast majority of people I know have totally moved on from this whole controversy and don't care one way or the other. They are not breathlessly reading Taylor's rep's comments on TMZ and they certainly aren't following the legal case.

By the time the trial rolls around, I think most people are going to be like "is this still happening? what?" And as a result, whatever the outcome of the case is, that's what they'll believe. Especially since the case will not be televised or streamed, there won't even be cameras in the court room so the most you're getting are reports from a handful of news agencies (no tabloids will be allowed in the courtroom, so unless TMZ can snag one of the handful of seats for the public, most of the reporting will be straight up and not sensationalized) and some court sketches.

Sure, the people obsessing over this case (including me) may not be persuaded by a court ruling either way. But the average person? Absolutely. It will be one round of headlines that either says "Lively loses sexual harassment and retaliation claims" or "Lively prevails in sexual harassment case against former director" and people will be like "okay I guess that's that."

But Blake wasn’t traditionally liked before this. She wasn’t really sought after for movies, her lifestyle brand failed, her campaign for Barbie didn’t work and then she tried to do another lifestyle brand off Barbie and Mattel sent a cease and desist lol

Her friendship with Taylor was really good for her. And now that appears to be gone. truthfully it seemed to be failing before this, because it doesn’t seem like Taylor was the godmother to their two year-old. And even before this controversy she didn’t say anything about when it ends with us came out, even though she had her song in the movie. She’s pretty congratulatory to her girlfriends when they have a big project so that was telling.

This makes it seem like Blake is a liar though, and I think that’s why Taylor is so pissed. Blake clearly used her for the rooftop scene, to get in the good graces of Isabella, and the rumor that the composer was fired because of Taylor -now it looks like it was Blake since Taylor‘s camp is saying she was literally not involved in this movie at all except for lending her song. It seems like she used Taylor throughout this movie to get what she wanted. Taylor has finally clued into that means Taylor’s fans clued into that and that’s not going to do Blake any favors.

I don’t disagree that a lot of people simply will not care about this case, but I don’t think it’s going to help Blake, and I think since she was kind of hurting publicly anyway, it likely means that she will just be off fade off into the sunset after it wraps.

Really?? Can you say more re Barbie brand?

Margot Robbie‘s Barbie movie was being developed in Hollywood for several years and there were several leads attached to it in different iterations. Blake was campaigning to do her version, a more family friendly version and obviously she wanted to play Barbie. She and her team started a campaign, styled herself in Barbie core at every event, and had social media either bots or paid people to churn up a lot of talk on social media about how she should play Barbie.

Pretty standard in the industry, but ultimately Margot Robbie’s team who developed the version that we saw in theaters won out. After the film was made, Blake couldn’t quite let it go and tried to launch a lifestyle brand based on Barbie called Dreamhouse. Mattel put a stop to it as they didn’t like competing versions out there and didn’t think that she had rights to the term dreamhouse for a life style brand.

Is any of that relevant to this case? No not at all but it certainly is an example of Blake’s fading popularity. She wasn’t ever considered for Barbie, she didn’t get her second lifestyle brand launched, not everybody is just running to work with Blake. Her celebrity has been waning, it was propped up by Taylor Swift, but that seems to be gone now.

I do not think people will run Ryan and Blake out of Hollywood with a pitchfork. I think they’re always going to have a lot of money, but this entire 2 year saga by the time it ends is hurting their brand that they were trying to cultivate which is this laid-back, very down to earth, happy couple who just want be with their kids and do some Hollywood stuff on the side. No one’s really buying that anymore.

I’m confused as to why people are saying there’s no monetary value to the PGA credential. Producers get huge backend on movies. It’s actually why it’s really rare for a producer not to have been involved in fundraising and development and they often use a little bit of their own money to have skin in the game.

Blake missed that part of the requirement for the pga credit as she was not brought on until the movie was well developed and getting ready to shoot so she tried to make up for it in the other two phases of the requirements. But I’m pretty sure being a producer means she got backend and that is money out of Wayfair’s pocket so there is monetary value to it.

Also, if the rumors are true that Colleen Hoover had a sexual harassment clause for Justin to develop the sequel, it certainly seems Blake was trying to get chummy with Colleen Hoover, it can certainly be argued that she was trying to get the rights to the second movie which clearly has monetary value.

People waiving off Taylor’s involvement are either being naïve or deliberately obtuse. Blake threatened to not use the my tears ricochet song in the marketing of the film, which clearly has a lot of relevance to how much money the film is going to make - a Taylor Swift song in your previews is going to get people interested and watching.

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Anonymous wrote:Realized something today that made me giggle. Not including the side characters and taking the Wayfarer parties as a unit (they’ve acted as a united front so far so that’s probably fair) Blake and Ryan are the brokest parties in the case (which is crazy given they are worth hundreds of millions). We have WF backed by Sorowitz who’s a billionaire, Taylor who’s a billionaire and of course Disney, which is a billionaire dollar company. The lawyers must be making so much money off of this case.

Hi! I am just enjoying this comment and wondering whether you are a lawyer and roughly your age range?

Not a lawyer but I think it’s safe to say the lawyers will make more off of this case than anyone did on it ends with us lol

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Anonymous wrote:Realized something today that made me giggle. Not including the side characters and taking the Wayfarer parties as a unit (they’ve acted as a united front so far so that’s probably fair) Blake and Ryan are the brokest parties in the case (which is crazy given they are worth hundreds of millions). We have WF backed by Sorowitz who’s a billionaire, Taylor who’s a billionaire and of course Disney, which is a billionaire dollar company. The lawyers must be making so much money off of this case.

Hi! I am just enjoying this comment and wondering whether you are a lawyer and roughly your age range?

Not a lawyer but I think it’s safe to say the lawyers will make more off of this case than anyone did on it ends with us lol

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Hi! I am just enjoying this comment and wondering whether you are a lawyer and roughly your age range?

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Anonymous wrote:Realized something today that made me giggle. Not including the side characters and taking the Wayfarer parties as a unit (they’ve acted as a united front so far so that’s probably fair) Blake and Ryan are the brokest parties in the case (which is crazy given they are worth hundreds of millions). We have WF backed by Sorowitz who’s a billionaire, Taylor who’s a billionaire and of course Disney, which is a billionaire dollar company. The lawyers must be making so much money off of this case.

Aren't they wealthier than Sloane?

Yeah I said minus the side characters or shall we call them “the normies”. Blake and Ryan are the brokest of the celebrities.

Anonymous wrote:Realized something today that made me giggle. Not including the side characters and taking the Wayfarer parties as a unit (they’ve acted as a united front so far so that’s probably fair) Blake and Ryan are the brokest parties in the case (which is crazy given they are worth hundreds of millions). We have WF backed by Sorowitz who’s a billionaire, Taylor who’s a billionaire and of course Disney, which is a billionaire dollar company. The lawyers must be making so much money off of this case.

Aren't they wealthier than Sloane?

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I disagree because what I've noticed is that in the last few weeks, the vast majority of people I know have totally moved on from this whole controversy and don't care one way or the other. They are not breathlessly reading Taylor's rep's comments on TMZ and they certainly aren't following the legal case.

By the time the trial rolls around, I think most people are going to be like "is this still happening? what?" And as a result, whatever the outcome of the case is, that's what they'll believe. Especially since the case will not be televised or streamed, there won't even be cameras in the court room so the most you're getting are reports from a handful of news agencies (no tabloids will be allowed in the courtroom, so unless TMZ can snag one of the handful of seats for the public, most of the reporting will be straight up and not sensationalized) and some court sketches.

Sure, the people obsessing over this case (including me) may not be persuaded by a court ruling either way. But the average person? Absolutely. It will be one round of headlines that either says "Lively loses sexual harassment and retaliation claims" or "Lively prevails in sexual harassment case against former director" and people will be like "okay I guess that's that."

But Blake wasn’t traditionally liked before this. She wasn’t really sought after for movies, her lifestyle brand failed, her campaign for Barbie didn’t work and then she tried to do another lifestyle brand off Barbie and Mattel sent a cease and desist lol

Her friendship with Taylor was really good for her. And now that appears to be gone. truthfully it seemed to be failing before this, because it doesn’t seem like Taylor was the godmother to their two year-old. And even before this controversy she didn’t say anything about when it ends with us came out, even though she had her song in the movie. She’s pretty congratulatory to her girlfriends when they have a big project so that was telling.

This makes it seem like Blake is a liar though, and I think that’s why Taylor is so pissed. Blake clearly used her for the rooftop scene, to get in the good graces of Isabella, and the rumor that the composer was fired because of Taylor -now it looks like it was Blake since Taylor‘s camp is saying she was literally not involved in this movie at all except for lending her song. It seems like she used Taylor throughout this movie to get what she wanted. Taylor has finally clued into that means Taylor’s fans clued into that and that’s not going to do Blake any favors.

I don’t disagree that a lot of people simply will not care about this case, but I don’t think it’s going to help Blake, and I think since she was kind of hurting publicly anyway, it likely means that she will just be off fade off into the sunset after it wraps.

Really?? Can you say more re Barbie brand?

Realized something today that made me giggle. Not including the side characters and taking the Wayfarer parties as a unit (they’ve acted as a united front so far so that’s probably fair) Blake and Ryan are the brokest parties in the case (which is crazy given they are worth hundreds of millions). We have WF backed by Sorowitz who’s a billionaire, Taylor who’s a billionaire and of course Disney, which is a billionaire dollar company. The lawyers must be making so much money off of this case.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I haven't read this Swift story so I don't know what's going on, but Swift was in the middle of the Eras tour in summer and fall of 2024. If Taylor Swift didn't watch a movie during her Era's tour for several months, that's probably okay. Gets a pass.

If Team Baldoni thinks Swift is going to be a good witness for Baldoni, they might want to think harder. Swift sees right through what Freedman is doing and her rep says this: "This document subpoena is designed to use Taylor Swift's name to draw public interest by creating tabloid clickbait instead of focusing on the facts of the case." I don't know how Swift feels about Lively, but if Baldoni thinks Swift is going to like him more than she likes Lively, he'd better prepare himself for a cruel summer.

So, Taylor being a witness is not at all even remotely the point. The whole point of bringing her into this is so they could get a statement like this from Taylor’s camp, which is absolutely humiliating to Blake.

Is pretty clear that Justin saw all along Blake was using Taylor, and it was very strategic of his team to bring her into this so now we can all see it.

I’m team Justin but I really don’t think BF is using Taylor for publicity. He was asked months ago if he would depose Taylor and he downplayed it and said “we haven’t made that decision yet, not necessarily” or something like that. The reality is they need to talk to Taylor because she has relevant info, but I think BF will tread lightly so the swifties don’t come after Justin.

I think BC is using Taylor to discredit Blake’s credibility. I think Taylor had little to no involvement in the movie, but may be able to offer insight into Blake’s frame of mind or what went on in the penthouse meeting.

Blake and Taylor have two very different opinions about the events then. Blake's cross examination is going to be a circus.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I haven't read this Swift story so I don't know what's going on, but Swift was in the middle of the Eras tour in summer and fall of 2024. If Taylor Swift didn't watch a movie during her Era's tour for several months, that's probably okay. Gets a pass.

If Team Baldoni thinks Swift is going to be a good witness for Baldoni, they might want to think harder. Swift sees right through what Freedman is doing and her rep says this: "This document subpoena is designed to use Taylor Swift's name to draw public interest by creating tabloid clickbait instead of focusing on the facts of the case." I don't know how Swift feels about Lively, but if Baldoni thinks Swift is going to like him more than she likes Lively, he'd better prepare himself for a cruel summer.

So, Taylor being a witness is not at all even remotely the point. The whole point of bringing her into this is so they could get a statement like this from Taylor’s camp, which is absolutely humiliating to Blake.

Is pretty clear that Justin saw all along Blake was using Taylor, and it was very strategic of his team to bring her into this so now we can all see it.

I’m team Justin but I really don’t think BF is using Taylor for publicity. He was asked months ago if he would depose Taylor and he downplayed it and said “we haven’t made that decision yet, not necessarily” or something like that. The reality is they need to talk to Taylor because she has relevant info, but I think BF will tread lightly so the swifties don’t come after Justin.

Blake got her into this mess, not Justin, not his lawyer. Blake had her meet with Justin at the apartment. Used her to get the song, started a rumor that she had the composer fired, and started the rumor that she was involved in the casting of young Lily. She blatantly threatened Justin that her dragon would come from him if he didn’t comply.

It’s not Freeman’s fault Taylor is involved. That falls squarely on Blake.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I haven't read this Swift story so I don't know what's going on, but Swift was in the middle of the Eras tour in summer and fall of 2024. If Taylor Swift didn't watch a movie during her Era's tour for several months, that's probably okay. Gets a pass.

If Team Baldoni thinks Swift is going to be a good witness for Baldoni, they might want to think harder. Swift sees right through what Freedman is doing and her rep says this: "This document subpoena is designed to use Taylor Swift's name to draw public interest by creating tabloid clickbait instead of focusing on the facts of the case." I don't know how Swift feels about Lively, but if Baldoni thinks Swift is going to like him more than she likes Lively, he'd better prepare himself for a cruel summer.

It’s not about who she likes. Hearsay is impermissible so even if BL complained about Justin to Taylor, that’s unlikely to come in. What they need from Taylor are things like when Taylor just happened to stop by Blake’s house when Justin was there (it could’ve been the reverse, just don’t remember) was her visit unannounced or did Blake call or text her to come over at that time. Even if Taylor was completely unaware of what Blake was doing, confirming whether or not that was “a coincidence” goes to Blake’s intent. These are the sorts of things Freedman will be looking for from Taylor.

Isabel was also on the red carpet saying that Blake told her Taylor had a role in her casting. They might also ask about that. It establishes a pattern of Blake leveraging taylor, her powerful husband, etc. to get what she wants. Legally I’m sure this doesn’t matter but it is certain to make the jury feel something.

That's not how trials work though. You don't get to present evidence just because it might "make the jury feel something." It has to be relevant to the questions before the jury. Also, the judge will weight the relevance of a piece of evidence against its likelihood of prejudicing the jury (swaying them unfairly with extraneous and irrelevant detail) and given Taylor's fame level, it's very unlikely that Lively would find anything she has to offer (or even evidence that mentions her) to be relevant enough to overcome the possible prejudice that bringing her into the case could cause.

DP. And as to relevance, I think Swift is mainly relevant to the extortion claims, and I personally think those will be dismissed. To start with, there's choice of law issues that may mean the extortion cause of action isn't in play at all. But even if it is, they haven't pled that there was any threat of force or that anything of value was obtained or sought by the defendants. Even if the claims are dismissed without prejudice, I doubt they can find the facts to properly plead because I just don't think that's what happened. Lively leveraged her star power and connections to get credentials and opportunities she didn't earn, which is shitty of her. That's not extortion though, and it's still not extortion if he's worried she might reveal the things that she claimed happened during the first part of filming while she says vague things like "all good will between us would be lost." It's still really all just a defamation claim where he's claiming she lied and he was worried she would continue to lie and publicize her lies about SH, and he caved in to her demands on that basis. I don't see the connection between Swift and his claims that Lively defamed him or breached her contract.

Yeah, I agree with this. Even if the extortion claims stay in, I think they'll be narrowed to focus on the thing if actual value Lively allegedly got (the p.g.a. credit). I think it would be hard to link Taylor to that decision, except in ways that actually work against Baldoni (part of Lively's argument for getting the credit was her involvement in post production, in luding getting Taylor to let them use her song in the movie and trailer, which works against the idea that Lively used threats to get it).

I think it's very unlikely that Taylor will feature in the trial in any way.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I haven't read this Swift story so I don't know what's going on, but Swift was in the middle of the Eras tour in summer and fall of 2024. If Taylor Swift didn't watch a movie during her Era's tour for several months, that's probably okay. Gets a pass.

If Team Baldoni thinks Swift is going to be a good witness for Baldoni, they might want to think harder. Swift sees right through what Freedman is doing and her rep says this: "This document subpoena is designed to use Taylor Swift's name to draw public interest by creating tabloid clickbait instead of focusing on the facts of the case." I don't know how Swift feels about Lively, but if Baldoni thinks Swift is going to like him more than she likes Lively, he'd better prepare himself for a cruel summer.

So, Taylor being a witness is not at all even remotely the point. The whole point of bringing her into this is so they could get a statement like this from Taylor’s camp, which is absolutely humiliating to Blake.

Is pretty clear that Justin saw all along Blake was using Taylor, and it was very strategic of his team to bring her into this so now we can all see it.

I’m team Justin but I really don’t think BF is using Taylor for publicity. He was asked months ago if he would depose Taylor and he downplayed it and said “we haven’t made that decision yet, not necessarily” or something like that. The reality is they need to talk to Taylor because she has relevant info, but I think BF will tread lightly so the swifties don’t come after Justin.

I think BC is using Taylor to discredit Blake’s credibility. I think Taylor had little to no involvement in the movie, but may be able to offer insight into Blake’s frame of mind or what went on in the penthouse meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:The legal case is interesting, but the PR side is much more fascinating and I vehemently disagree with the poster who said whoever wins the case will win in public opinion. The trial is almost a year away and that ship has sailed for Blake. This latest Taylor news is humiliating for her and there’s simply no way around it.

As another poster said she could’ve easily said she wasn’t at the premier but saying she didn’t see the movie for weeks is a pretty low blow. Saying that she was not involved in casting decisions, that’s going to bite Blake in the ass because now she’s caught in a blatant lie in front of the world. She had young Lily stand on the red carpet and say that Blake told her that Taylor helped cast her. I can pretty much guarantee that’s one of the way she blew smoke up Isabella’s butt - and got her on her side. Lured her in with Taylor.

I’m betting the cast saw through this pretty quickly after Baldoni got his side of the story out and that explains the end of their support.

I haven't read this Swift story so I don't know what's going on, but Swift was in the middle of the Eras tour in summer and fall of 2024. If Taylor Swift didn't watch a movie during her Era's tour for several months, that's probably okay. Gets a pass.

If Team Baldoni thinks Swift is going to be a good witness for Baldoni, they might want to think harder. Swift sees right through what Freedman is doing and her rep says this: "This document subpoena is designed to use Taylor Swift's name to draw public interest by creating tabloid clickbait instead of focusing on the facts of the case." I don't know how Swift feels about Lively, but if Baldoni thinks Swift is going to like him more than she likes Lively, he'd better prepare himself for a cruel summer.

It’s not about who she likes. Hearsay is impermissible so even if BL complained about Justin to Taylor, that’s unlikely to come in. What they need from Taylor are things like when Taylor just happened to stop by Blake’s house when Justin was there (it could’ve been the reverse, just don’t remember) was her visit unannounced or did Blake call or text her to come over at that time. Even if Taylor was completely unaware of what Blake was doing, confirming whether or not that was “a coincidence” goes to Blake’s intent. These are the sorts of things Freedman will be looking for from Taylor.

Isabel was also on the red carpet saying that Blake told her Taylor had a role in her casting. They might also ask about that. It establishes a pattern of Blake leveraging taylor, her powerful husband, etc. to get what she wants. Legally I’m sure this doesn’t matter but it is certain to make the jury feel something.

That's not how trials work though. You don't get to present evidence just because it might "make the jury feel something." It has to be relevant to the questions before the jury. Also, the judge will weight the relevance of a piece of evidence against its likelihood of prejudicing the jury (swaying them unfairly with extraneous and irrelevant detail) and given Taylor's fame level, it's very unlikely that Lively would find anything she has to offer (or even evidence that mentions her) to be relevant enough to overcome the possible prejudice that bringing her into the case could cause.

DP. And as to relevance, I think Swift is mainly relevant to the extortion claims, and I personally think those will be dismissed. To start with, there's choice of law issues that may mean the extortion cause of action isn't in play at all. But even if it is, they haven't pled that there was any threat of force or that anything of value was obtained or sought by the defendants. Even if the claims are dismissed without prejudice, I doubt they can find the facts to properly plead because I just don't think that's what happened. Lively leveraged her star power and connections to get credentials and opportunities she didn't earn, which is shitty of her. That's not extortion though, and it's still not extortion if he's worried she might reveal the things that she claimed happened during the first part of filming while she says vague things like "all good will between us would be lost." It's still really all just a defamation claim where he's claiming she lied and he was worried she would continue to lie and publicize her lies about SH, and he caved in to her demands on that basis. I don't see the connection between Swift and his claims that Lively defamed him or breached her contract.