Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:49     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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So what? That doesn't support the notion that "four year olds can do it". My brother could read at 2. Doesn't mean "two year olds can read".


It doesn't mean that all two-year-olds can read, but it actually does mean that two-year-olds can read.


So you think we should expect them to because some few do it. I think I see the source of the disconnect here


No. Nobody has said that all two-year-olds can or should read. And nobody has said that all four-year-olds can or should walk to school safely by themselves. What people have said is that many four-year-olds and most six-year-olds did used to walk to school safely by themselves.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:49     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
You all of course realize we are discussing a mere pimple on the ass of an elephant - right?

I work with Department of Justice's Drug Endangered Children section.

This isn't even a pimple. It's a hair compared to what it is like to be one of these drug-endangered children!!!!!

Think about what you can do as a responsible parent to help the real children in need.

They wish walking to the park was the biggest and most dangerous problem in their lives!
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:48     Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids who are neglected tend to be very independent at a young age.


And kids who are coddled are whiny, anxious, have attention issues and run to Mommy for everything. They also say " I am bored" all the times because they can't entertain themselves.


Not walking places by yourself at 4 or 6 doesn't mean you're coddled
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:48     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police

What on earth would the costs possibly be? You get to take a nice walk with your kid, watch them go into school, and enjoy the assurance of knowing that they got in ok. It's not like there is a social cost to a kid that age walking with a parent, unlike a 5th grader, who might get made fun of.


New parenting style = up their asses at all times.


If you say so. I don't consider the hour and a half I see my 6 year old awake 5 days a week to be such. But apparently since part of that hour and a half involves walking him to school, you do.



Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:47     Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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Your kids are 8 and 11. Nobody cares.


So as long as you are over 8, it isn't illegal to be on your own at the playground or walk a couple blocks by yourself in MD?

I'm confused on this point, because the boy who got picked up by the police was 10.

I understand it was illegal for his 6 year old sister to be walking on the street without an adult (although this doesn't exactly seem to be a law that is officially spelled out anywhere, more like an understanding).

But why did they pick up the 10 year old?
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:47     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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They also say " I am bored" all the times because they can't entertain themselves.


Hell, my parents pretty much let me do whatever I wanted, and if I knew how to entertain myself, I wouldn't spend so much time on this site.


Aren't you entertaining yourself by spending so much time on this site? Otherwise why do it?
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:46     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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Let's just for a minute think like the kids. Why do they really want to go to the playground by themselves?

Answer: To get away from their parents or exercise independence and show maturity?


My children want to go to the playground by themselves because they think it's fun.


I really didn't care whether my parents came to the playground with me or not. When they were there they chatted with other parents or read a book. It wasn't as if they were involved in what I was doing or cramping my style.


That's nice. My children do care, though. Different people are different people!


What is it that your kids think is so much fun about going to the park without an adult with them?


Really? Is this what both kids said to you in a private exclusive interview? Or was it from the parents?

They like being out on their own. They like being independent. They like being unsupervised. They like being able to make their own decisions. They like the feeling of being responsible for themselves.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:46     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
They also say " I am bored" all the times because they can't entertain themselves.


Hell, my parents pretty much let me do whatever I wanted, and if I knew how to entertain myself, I wouldn't spend so much time on this site.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:46     Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what I think... it's what CPS, and ultimately a judge thinks.

Allowing the children to stay with parents who repeatedly ignore what CPS tells them not to do, is not a great way to get CPS to say that it is the kids best interest to reamain with their parents. At best you are rolling the dice that they will say it's not worth putting the kids in foster care, at worst you lose your kids... not a gamble i think any parent, who wants to keep their kids would take.


Hence why one of the best lawyer teams is helping them sue pro bono. Because CPS can not base an opinion when there is no law to follow and make up a safety clause. And then hold their kids without notifying them and then hold them hostage once they arrive until they sign it. Guarantee the parents will win this case.

If the law is changed in the future maybe. But for now CPS has no grounds for what they did


I really hope you're right.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:46     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

So what? That doesn't support the notion that "four year olds can do it". My brother could read at 2. Doesn't mean "two year olds can read".


It doesn't mean that all two-year-olds can read, but it actually does mean that two-year-olds can read.


So you think we should expect them to because some few do it. I think I see the source of the disconnect here
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:45     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
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And what are the costs vs. benefits of not allowing four-year-olds to walk to school by themselves?


What on earth would the costs possibly be? You get to take a nice walk with your kid, watch them go into school, and enjoy the assurance of knowing that they got in ok. It's not like there is a social cost to a kid that age walking with a parent, unlike a 5th grader, who might get made fun of.


New parenting style = up their asses at all times.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:44     Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter what I think... it's what CPS, and ultimately a judge thinks.

Allowing the children to stay with parents who repeatedly ignore what CPS tells them not to do, is not a great way to get CPS to say that it is the kids best interest to reamain with their parents. At best you are rolling the dice that they will say it's not worth putting the kids in foster care, at worst you lose your kids... not a gamble i think any parent, who wants to keep their kids would take.


Hence why one of the best lawyer teams is helping them sue pro bono. Because CPS can not base an opinion when there is no law to follow and make up a safety clause. And then hold their kids without notifying them and then hold them hostage once they arrive until they sign it. Guarantee the parents will win this case.

If the law is changed in the future maybe. But for now CPS has no grounds for what they did
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:44     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:

Let's just for a minute think like the kids. Why do they really want to go to the playground by themselves?

Answer: To get away from their parents or exercise independence and show maturity?


My children want to go to the playground by themselves because they think it's fun.


I really didn't care whether my parents came to the playground with me or not. When they were there they chatted with other parents or read a book. It wasn't as if they were involved in what I was doing or cramping my style.


Exactly. Parents do not play with you. For the most part they are reading a book, talking to other adults, on their phones, but still basically supervising. I guess that was in the job description in the parenting manual I got. It was in the same box common sense came in.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:44     Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
And what are the costs vs. benefits of not allowing four-year-olds to walk to school by themselves?


What on earth would the costs possibly be? You get to take a nice walk with your kid, watch them go into school, and enjoy the assurance of knowing that they got in ok. It's not like there is a social cost to a kid that age walking with a parent, unlike a 5th grader, who might get made fun of.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2015 16:42     Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, kids who are neglected tend to be very independent at a young age.


And kids who are coddled are whiny, anxious, have attention issues and run to Mommy for everything. They also say " I am bored" all the times because they can't entertain themselves.


Agreed. So find the happy medium. Tip: 6 year olds do not benefit from walking to the park in DTSS with their (tiny) 10 year old brother...especially when CPS has told their parents not to let them do this, thus putting the kids at risk of being picked up by cops and held by CPS. Duh.