Did these things not happen? ACT didn't conduct a nationwide curriculum survey in 2009? Content area standards from the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics did not serve as important reference points? Massachusetts and California standards were not valuable sources? Neither was identified as being of high quality by independent studies of state standards?

where are the classroom teachers? Especially, where are the early childhood educators?

Anonymous wrote:
Did someone use Diane Ravitch's data on here? Or her article?

It's fine with me if you don't cite anything from Diane Ravitch. After all, she's a biased source, right?

Anonymous wrote:I think Common Core is going down the tubes and our pro CC poster knows it. Does she really not get the connection between the money and the support for CC?

There are multiple posters who support the Common Core standards.

Anonymous wrote:

This David Conley guy is really cashing in. He has left EPIC and has now started something called Eduimagine. Just look at his list of clients:

http://edimagine.com/who-we-are/

And here's his book:

http://collegecareerready.com/

Do you have any evidence that anything he says in the linked piece is wrong, or are you proceeding on the principle that everything he says must be wrong because he makes a living in education consulting?

http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/spr282_final.pdf

For example, he writes, "In 2003, Standards for Success (Conley, 2003) released the first comprehensive set of college readiness standards based on research conducted at over a dozen universities around the country, all members of the Association of American Universities. The American Diploma Project (Achieve, Inc., The Education Trust, & Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, 2004) quickly followed suit with standards that also addressed community college and workplace readiness. Both ACT and the College Board released their versions of college readiness standards, as did the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, soon thereafter (ACT, 2011; The College Board, 2006; Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board & Educational Policy Improvement Center, 2009). National testing organization ACT in 2009 conducted a nationwide curriculum survey that collected information about college instructor perceptions of the skills students need to succeed in their courses (ACT, 2009). The College Board administered a similar survey that included high school teachers along with college instructors (Kim, Wiley, & Packman, 2009).

All of these documents provided important reference points for the Common Core State Standards. They helped ensure they were derived from standards that were developed with significant educator input and previously tested in the field and validated (Conley, McGaughy, Cadigan, Flynn, et al., 2009; Conley, McGaughy, Cadigan, Forbes, & Young, 2009). Content area standards from prestigious groups such as the National Assessment Governing Board and the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics also served as important reference points (National Assessment Governing Board, 2008; National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, 2003). In addition, state standards were referenced. Most notably, Massachusetts and California standards were valuable sources, and both have been identified as being of high quality by independent studies of state standards (Klein et al., 2005; Stotsky, 2005)."

Did these things not happen? ACT didn't conduct a nationwide curriculum survey in 2009? Content area standards from the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics did not serve as important reference points? Massachusetts and California standards were not valuable sources? Neither was identified as being of high quality by independent studies of state standards?

I think Common Core is going down the tubes and our pro CC poster knows it. Does she really not get the connection between the money and the support for CC?

Did someone use Diane Ravitch's data on here? Or her article?

Anonymous wrote:
This guy, David Conley, is the CEO of EPIC. EPIC was paid by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to do two studies of the Common Core. When you cite an article by David Conley, you are citing someone who has taken money from the major proponent of Common Core, Bill Gates. This is way different from someone who is anti CC based on the standards and the process. There is no money involved in being anti CC.

https://www.epiconline.org/readiness/

Of course there is. Money from the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity (Koch Brothers), the Pioneer Institute, Concerned Women for America and FreedomWorks, for example.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/education-common-core-standards-schools-96964.html#ixzz3SoaLmHK4

Current and recent clients include:
The Advisory Committee on Student Financial Assistance, Alliance for Excellent Education, the Alliance of Career Resource Professionals, American Institute for Research, The College Board, Pearson, The Council of Chief State School Officers, ECS, AVID, The Lumina Foundation, Bellwether Education Partners, Education Commission of the States, Education Funders Strategy Group, Educational Policy Institute, ETS, The International Baccalaureate Organization, Iowa Department of Education, Mathematica Policy Research, Inc., National Center on Education and the Economy, National Scholarship Providers Association, Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium, University of Southern California, Utah Alliance for Concurrent Enrollment.

This David Conley guy is really cashing in. He has left EPIC and has now started something called Eduimagine. Just look at his list of clients:

http://edimagine.com/who-we-are/

And here's his book:


http://collegecareerready.com/

Anonymous wrote:
This guy, David Conley, is the CEO of EPIC. EPIC was paid by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to do two studies of the Common Core. When you cite an article by David Conley, you are citing someone who has taken money from the major proponent of Common Core, Bill Gates. This is way different from someone who is anti CC based on the standards and the process. There is no money involved in being anti CC.

https://www.epiconline.org/readiness/

Diane Ravitch seems to be doing ok.

Anonymous wrote:
This guy, David Conley, is the CEO of EPIC. EPIC was paid by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to do two studies of the Common Core. When you cite an article by David Conley, you are citing someone who has taken money from the major proponent of Common Core, Bill Gates. This is way different from someone who is anti CC based on the standards and the process. There is no money involved in being anti CC.

https://www.epiconline.org/readiness/

You are arguing that the fact that that he's the head of an organization that did two studies of the Common Core standards means that he is a bad source of information about the Common Core standards.

What next? Having studied climate change makes you a bad source of information about climate change? Medical doctors are bad sources of information about medical matters because they accept money for medical services?

This guy, David Conley, is the CEO of EPIC. EPIC was paid by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to do two studies of the Common Core. When you cite an article by David Conley, you are citing someone who has taken money from the major proponent of Common Core, Bill Gates. This is way different from someone who is anti CC based on the standards and the process. There is no money involved in being anti CC.

https://www.epiconline.org/readiness/

Anonymous wrote:

His latest book is entitled Getting Ready
for College, Careers, and the Common Core. Dr. Conley
serves on numerous technical and advisory panels. He
co-chaired the Common Core State Standards Validation
Committee and is a member of the Smarter Balanced
Technical Advisory Committee.

If a Common Core supporter is a biased source, then a Common Core opponent is also a biased source. Please provide an unbiased source for your assertion that the Common Core standards did not [whatever your assertion was].

No, this guy is not just a supporter. He has made money off the standards. There is a conflict of interest.

So if you write a book about something, that disqualifies you from being a good source of information about that thing? I don't get it.

His latest book is entitled Getting Ready
for College, Careers, and the Common Core. Dr. Conley
serves on numerous technical and advisory panels. He
co-chaired the Common Core State Standards Validation
Committee and is a member of the Smarter Balanced
Technical Advisory Committee.


If a Common Core supporter is a biased source, then a Common Core opponent is also a biased source. Please provide an unbiased source for your assertion that the Common Core standards did not [whatever your assertion was].

No, this guy is not just a supporter. He has made money off the standards. There is a conflict of interest.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The unbiased (cough cough) first author of your article:

David Conley is Professor in the College of Education and
Director of the Center for Educational Policy Research
at the University of Oregon. He also serves as CEO of
EPIC, the Educational Policy Improvement Center, and
President of EdImagine Strategy Group. He conducts
research on high school-college alignment and transition,
high school and college course content analysis,
and large-scale diagnosis and assessment of college
readiness. His findings have been published in numerous
technical reports, conference papers, book chapters, and
journals, such as Education Week, Educational Administration
Quarterly, Educational Policy, the Journal of
College Admission, Principal Leadership, and Educational
Leadership. His latest book is entitled Getting Ready
for College, Careers, and the Common Core. Dr. Conley
serves on numerous technical and advisory panels. He
co-chaired the Common Core State Standards Validation
Committee and is a member of the Smarter Balanced
Technical Advisory Committee.

If a Common Core supporter is a biased source, then a Common Core opponent is also a biased source. Please provide an unbiased source for your assertion that the Common Core standards did not [whatever your assertion was].

+100 ...and not just an unbiased source, but I would also add that I demand hard data and actual studies to back up any anti-CC'er claim that the standards are [bad/developmentally inappropriate/not needed/whatever]