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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

Um, your kid can....
get on west ox (nice big road), then get on rt 50 (nice big road), get on i66 (nice big road), get off on 123 (nice big road) , then get on germantown (nice big road).

Each of these roads is at least 2 lanes in each direction....

They're not required to go on fox mill, whaples mill, or bennet.

66 is a HIGHWAY. It gets backed up, merging is insane. I know this, I do this every. signal. day. I see fender benders on 66 at least twice a month.

Old enough to remember when 2 Oakton students were killed on it 50 on the way home from 2nd day of school.

Unfortunately, HS drivers are killed on wide roads with 35 mile an hour speed limits because HS drivers are less experienced and more prone to making poor decisions regarding speed.

And in all honesty, seeing a few fender benders a month is not really that big a deal, they are a relativly rare event given the amount of traffic on the road. I am not saying that the distance and road conditions are a reason to move or not move but I don't think that the likelihood of an accident or event with teenagers involved changes that much. Teens are already at a far higher risk for accidents regardless of where they are driving.

Wow you RIO moms will do ANYTHING to stay at Oakton. I don't want my kids driving on highways if not necessary.

Highways should be less stressful

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

Um, your kid can....
get on west ox (nice big road), then get on rt 50 (nice big road), get on i66 (nice big road), get off on 123 (nice big road) , then get on germantown (nice big road).

Each of these roads is at least 2 lanes in each direction....

They're not required to go on fox mill, whaples mill, or bennet.

66 is a HIGHWAY. It gets backed up, merging is insane. I know this, I do this every. signal. day. I see fender benders on 66 at least twice a month.

Old enough to remember when 2 Oakton students were killed on it 50 on the way home from 2nd day of school.

Unfortunately, HS drivers are killed on wide roads with 35 mile an hour speed limits because HS drivers are less experienced and more prone to making poor decisions regarding speed.

And in all honesty, seeing a few fender benders a month is not really that big a deal, they are a relativly rare event given the amount of traffic on the road. I am not saying that the distance and road conditions are a reason to move or not move but I don't think that the likelihood of an accident or event with teenagers involved changes that much. Teens are already at a far higher risk for accidents regardless of where they are driving.

Wow you RIO moms will do ANYTHING to stay at Oakton. I don't want my kids driving on highways if not necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

Because Carson is going to feed into Skyview. And Crossfield has a deal with the consultants to not be moved to Skyview. Therefore they will not place Crossfield at Carson anymore.

Stop making things up. There is no deal and I think you'll find a lot of changes on the future maps regarding Crossfiled baed on my Gatehouse source.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the rationale to move one street (with a few secondary courts) in Franklin Farm to Lees Corner and Westfield. That particular street-- Tuckaway-- connects to Thompson Road, which is where Navy is. If that street has to be different from the remainder of the development, why not move them to Navy?

Franklin Farm currently feeds into two high schools, but they might now feed into three?

Make it make sense...

It’s not just Tuckaway - they also proposed doing that to Hidden Meadow and Thorngate on the east side of Franklin farm.

Sending them to Westfield, as well?

The logic is, they need kids to go to Westfield.

That's not the point.

I have nothing against Westfield.

My concern is splitting ONE street (with a few secondary streets) in the development to a different high school. I also can't figure out why Tuckaway doesn't go to Navy since it is perpendicular to the road off which Navy sits.

If they chose to change a bunch of Franklin Farm to Westfield, I wouldn't question it. I just think it's very strange that they chose only Tuckaway.

They chose Tuckaway because they are sending it to Lee's Corner and they were doing that stupid suggestion of sending Lee's Corner to Westfield.

Again, no one should be shipped that far away when it is not necessary.

Just shift Centreville and Chantilly around the edges to Westfield. Cub Run, and at least some of Bull Run that is equidistant. Both of those are reasonable suggestions.

That Tuckaway drive area is closer in miles to Westfield then Bull Run ES. So doesn't make sense to describe it as "shipped that far away". If that's too far for you, then the Bull Run ES areas are definitely too far. Your logic isn't logicking.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

Because Carson is going to feed into Skyview. And Crossfield has a deal with the consultants to not be moved to Skyview. Therefore they will not place Crossfield at Carson anymore.

Stop making things up. There is no deal and I think you'll find a lot of changes on the future maps regarding Crossfiled baed on my Gatehouse source.

DP. Wish i had a "Gatehouse source."

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the rationale to move one street (with a few secondary courts) in Franklin Farm to Lees Corner and Westfield. That particular street-- Tuckaway-- connects to Thompson Road, which is where Navy is. If that street has to be different from the remainder of the development, why not move them to Navy?

Franklin Farm currently feeds into two high schools, but they might now feed into three?

Make it make sense...

It’s not just Tuckaway - they also proposed doing that to Hidden Meadow and Thorngate on the east side of Franklin farm.

Sending them to Westfield, as well?

The logic is, they need kids to go to Westfield.

That's not the point.

I have nothing against Westfield.

My concern is splitting ONE street (with a few secondary streets) in the development to a different high school. I also can't figure out why Tuckaway doesn't go to Navy since it is perpendicular to the road off which Navy sits.

If they chose to change a bunch of Franklin Farm to Westfield, I wouldn't question it. I just think it's very strange that they chose only Tuckaway.

They chose Tuckaway because they are sending it to Lee's Corner and they were doing that stupid suggestion of sending Lee's Corner to Westfield.

Again, no one should be shipped that far away when it is not necessary.

Just shift Centreville and Chantilly around the edges to Westfield. Cub Run, and at least some of Bull Run that is equidistant. Both of those are reasonable suggestions.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

Because Carson is going to feed into Skyview. And Crossfield has a deal with the consultants to not be moved to Skyview. Therefore they will not place Crossfield at Carson anymore.

Stop making things up. There is no deal and I think you'll find a lot of changes on the future maps regarding Crossfiled baed on my Gatehouse source.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

Because Carson is going to feed into Skyview. And Crossfield has a deal with the consultants to not be moved to Skyview. Therefore they will not place Crossfield at Carson anymore.

Stop making things up. There is no deal and I think you'll find a lot of changes on the future maps regarding Crossfiled baed on my Gatehouse source.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

Um, your kid can....
get on west ox (nice big road), then get on rt 50 (nice big road), get on i66 (nice big road), get off on 123 (nice big road) , then get on germantown (nice big road).

Each of these roads is at least 2 lanes in each direction....

They're not required to go on fox mill, whaples mill, or bennet.

66 is a HIGHWAY. It gets backed up, merging is insane. I know this, I do this every. signal. day. I see fender benders on 66 at least twice a month.

Old enough to remember when 2 Oakton students were killed on it 50 on the way home from 2nd day of school.

Unfortunately, HS drivers are killed on wide roads with 35 mile an hour speed limits because HS drivers are less experienced and more prone to making poor decisions regarding speed.

And in all honesty, seeing a few fender benders a month is not really that big a deal, they are a relativly rare event given the amount of traffic on the road. I am not saying that the distance and road conditions are a reason to move or not move but I don't think that the likelihood of an accident or event with teenagers involved changes that much. Teens are already at a far higher risk for accidents regardless of where they are driving.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

I don't understand why we can't just keep middle school the same. Why does Oak Hill have to move to Carson? Why can't they just stay at Franklin, while Fox Mill and Crossfield stay at Carson?

Because Carson is going to feed into Skyview. And Crossfield has a deal with the consultants to not be moved to Skyview. Therefore they will not place Crossfield at Carson anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the rationale to move one street (with a few secondary courts) in Franklin Farm to Lees Corner and Westfield. That particular street-- Tuckaway-- connects to Thompson Road, which is where Navy is. If that street has to be different from the remainder of the development, why not move them to Navy?

Franklin Farm currently feeds into two high schools, but they might now feed into three?

Make it make sense...

It’s not just Tuckaway - they also proposed doing that to Hidden Meadow and Thorngate on the east side of Franklin farm.

Sending them to Westfield, as well?

The logic is, they need kids to go to Westfield.

That's not the point.

I have nothing against Westfield.

My concern is splitting ONE street (with a few secondary streets) in the development to a different high school. I also can't figure out why Tuckaway doesn't go to Navy since it is perpendicular to the road off which Navy sits.

If they chose to change a bunch of Franklin Farm to Westfield, I wouldn't question it. I just think it's very strange that they chose only Tuckaway.