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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

There is something wrong with you. There is no evidence that he was hit by a car.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t even be mad at people who get facts wrong in this case. I’m working and listening to the trial and when I read what the free Karen Read people say it is bananas and if you read only what’s on the Internet, you’ll get your stuff wrong.

I've been watching the trial and nothing so far shows she is guilty. The more I think about it the more I think he had a tragic fall, and people are acting shady bc they on some level all knew some harm came to him but they (including Karen) were all too drunk to truly consider going to find and help him, until it was too late.

I think is that she hit him with the car. She was so drunk that she only started realizing what she did hours later. I don’t know about you, but I’ve done this where I have drunk so much that different pieces of my memory come back the next day. That’s why I don’t drink anymore. But I don’t understand is why this man who is testifying today is being a difficult witness.

You’re still drunk. There is no evidence that he was hit by a car in any way.

I've followed this case from the beginning and she may or may not be guilty, but there are plenty of reasons for reasonable doubt and dismissal. Yes, they were all S-faced. Yes, her demeanor is cold, but the prosecution and handling of this case is laughable. I'm not sure what I believe at this point, but you can't ignore irreconcilable points in the case:

-Why did everyone at Fairview destroy their phones after being tipped off that they were being taken a day later?
-Why was the carpet in the basement replaced a week after his death?
-Why was the dog rehomed immediately following that night. A girl at the home took the dog with her shortly after the timeline for it to never be seen again? John was found with scratch and bite marks consistent with a dog, but miraculously they were never tested. The injuries to his body are inconsistent with just being hit by a car.
-Proctor had Karen Read's car for several hours prior to it actually being submitted for evidence. In this time, her taillight had inconsistencies and somehow the footage from the carport was altered and destroyed.
-The phone calls made between the Albert's, Higgins, and McCabe don't match and they have all been caught lying throughout both trials.
-Video footage from Canton police department shows Higgins at pacing outside the police department after him blatantly saying he was home sleeping at the time.
-Video footage from neighbors homes were conveniently destroyed.
-8 witnesses passed the Alberts' yard after Karen dropped John off & all said they didn't see a body in the yard.
-Plow driver didn't see a body in Brian Albert's yard @ 2:30am. He had a clear view of the yard from a high vantage point. He saw a Ford Edge at 3:30am exactly where John was found shortly after. The Edge was blocking the view of the camera across the street. Brian & Colin Albert both drove Edges.
-Jen & Kerry spent hours at the lead investigator's house for John's case the day after he died & never disclosed it.
-John's body wasn't cold enough by 6am, when he was found, to have been outside since 12:30am.

There are several others, but those come to mind. I don't think they prosecution has proven anything to put her away for murder, and the lies being told by everyone who was at Fairview that night make it hard to put the whole thing on Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t even be mad at people who get facts wrong in this case. I’m working and listening to the trial and when I read what the free Karen Read people say it is bananas and if you read only what’s on the Internet, you’ll get your stuff wrong.

I've been watching the trial and nothing so far shows she is guilty. The more I think about it the more I think he had a tragic fall, and people are acting shady bc they on some level all knew some harm came to him but they (including Karen) were all too drunk to truly consider going to find and help him, until it was too late.

I think is that she hit him with the car. She was so drunk that she only started realizing what she did hours later. I don’t know about you, but I’ve done this where I have drunk so much that different pieces of my memory come back the next day. That’s why I don’t drink anymore. But I don’t understand is why this man who is testifying today is being a difficult witness.

I don't drink so cannot speak to that, but the injuries just do not make sense, especially the fatal one, when it comes to her hitting him. In any case she did hit the tail light in the driveway (it's on video) so if you say it's a memory piece coming back then maybe she was remembering this mixed up with dropping him off mixed up with him not being anywhere. I think the same about Jen McCabe: she drunkenly remembered while in bed that Julie saw a "black blob" on the lawn and had this horrific sudden thought it might have been John. Same for the Albert butt dials: they noticed someone out, and decided it would be a bad look no matter what they did to not have helped the person earlier, so they did nothing. I really see it as a case of a bunch of drunks who left John out to die, with various degrees of cognizence of his situation and various reasons for doing nothing. To me it makes the most sense because otherwise nothing fits fully.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t even be mad at people who get facts wrong in this case. I’m working and listening to the trial and when I read what the free Karen Read people say it is bananas and if you read only what’s on the Internet, you’ll get your stuff wrong.

I've been watching the trial and nothing so far shows she is guilty. The more I think about it the more I think he had a tragic fall, and people are acting shady bc they on some level all knew some harm came to him but they (including Karen) were all too drunk to truly consider going to find and help him, until it was too late.

I think is that she hit him with the car. She was so drunk that she only started realizing what she did hours later. I don’t know about you, but I’ve done this where I have drunk so much that different pieces of my memory come back the next day. That’s why I don’t drink anymore. But I don’t understand is why this man who is testifying today is being a difficult witness.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t even be mad at people who get facts wrong in this case. I’m working and listening to the trial and when I read what the free Karen Read people say it is bananas and if you read only what’s on the Internet, you’ll get your stuff wrong.

I've been watching the trial and nothing so far shows she is guilty. The more I think about it the more I think he had a tragic fall, and people are acting shady bc they on some level all knew some harm came to him but they (including Karen) were all too drunk to truly consider going to find and help him, until it was too late.

I can’t even be mad at people who get facts wrong in this case. I’m working and listening to the trial and when I read what the free Karen Read people say it is bananas and if you read only what’s on the Internet, you’ll get your stuff wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

+1 Karen's string of text messages to him suggest she is off the rails crazy.

+1000000 she is so crazy and so drunk she doesn't even realize she ran him over and killed him. They said if they got him to the hospital within 2 hours he would still be alive. She's a murder. They need to throw the book at her.

Are you for real? He was not run over by a car. He was not hit by a car.

PP is not following the case clearly. Not even the prosecution is claiming she “ran him over” - they are saying she side swiped him and then afterward he fell and hit his head (because he was totally trashed too.)

would there be a murder charge if they claimed that?

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

+1 Karen's string of text messages to him suggest she is off the rails crazy.

+1000000 she is so crazy and so drunk she doesn't even realize she ran him over and killed him. They said if they got him to the hospital within 2 hours he would still be alive. She's a murder. They need to throw the book at her.

Are you for real? He was not run over by a car. He was not hit by a car.

PP is not following the case clearly. Not even the prosecution is claiming she “ran him over” - they are saying she side swiped him and then afterward he fell and hit his head (because he was totally trashed too.)

And he was a policeman who knew she was drunk and made her drive him around. I would make that a huge part of my case if I were the defense

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

+1 Karen's string of text messages to him suggest she is off the rails crazy.

+1000000 she is so crazy and so drunk she doesn't even realize she ran him over and killed him. They said if they got him to the hospital within 2 hours he would still be alive. She's a murder. They need to throw the book at her.

Are you for real? He was not run over by a car. He was not hit by a car.

PP is not following the case clearly. Not even the prosecution is claiming she “ran him over” - they are saying she side swiped him and then afterward he fell and hit his head (because he was totally trashed too.)

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the pic of his injury and a car doesn't give you a perfectly neat and straight 2ish inch gash in the middle of the head. It's actually ridiculous this is even a trial.

That’s where the cocktail glass hit him.

So he fell on it? I read they did not swab the wound. Is this correct? Otherwise there would be glass fragments.

Anonymous wrote:I saw the pic of his injury and a car doesn't give you a perfectly neat and straight 2ish inch gash in the middle of the head. It's actually ridiculous this is even a trial.

That’s where the cocktail glass hit him.

I saw the pic of his injury and a car doesn't give you a perfectly neat and straight 2ish inch gash in the middle of the head. It's actually ridiculous this is even a trial.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over the fact that no one who heard her say “I hit him” thought to write it down or, detain her or even bring her in for immediate questioning. That does not seem like SOP for any of the first responders.

They very likely would have brought her to the cop shop for questioning, but her daddy called 911 and asked that she be taken in by paramedics on a psych hold because she was allegedly expressing suicidal ideation on the phone with mommy and daddy. So she was taken to the same hospital as her victim and kept from law enforcement for hours while she was assessed by medical personnel, then upon release she and daddy high-tailed it over to the murder victim's house to collect the murder weapon and remove it from the scene and to more than likely delete incriminating Ring video from the victim's Ring camera database.

Yes, LEOs should have detained her from the moment she walked out of the room at Good Samaritan where she was on psych hold. They caught up with her instead a couple of hours later at her mommy and daddy's house. She was a suspect from the moment she started screaming confessions to anybody who would listen at the scene of John's death/body.

The way you speak about people is disgusting.

Really?

Maybe if you'd seen as many raped children and murdered women and men and other horrors such as I have seen over decades working in and around the criminal justice system, you might be less naive and more jaded in your view of the capacities of our fellow humans.

Karen Read is a murdering scum and her mommy, daddy and brother are her primary enablers in the disgusting reign of villainy she has engaged in since the murder - which wasn't enough to feed her bottomless pit of psychological neediness. I hope she rots in prison until her cootch dries up entirely.

Lady, this isn’t healthy. You are unhinged. You need to get a more positive hobby.

Public service isn't a hobby, it's a calling.

My mental health is fine - I'm not the one on here cheering and defending a malignant narcissistic murderer who has attempted to destroy dozens of lives in the desperate attempt to save her scrawny ass from prison after running her abused boyfriend down in the road like he was a stray dog and leaving him to die. YOU need to check your moral compass, poster.

+1 Karen's string of text messages to him suggest she is off the rails crazy.

+1000000 she is so crazy and so drunk she doesn't even realize she ran him over and killed him. They said if they got him to the hospital within 2 hours he would still be alive. She's a murder. They need to throw the book at her.

Are you for real? He was not run over by a car. He was not hit by a car.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, if she really has confessed that she did not even know she went to the house how can she have intent????

She is not charged with any crime requiring intent to kill.

She is charged with OUI manslaughter - no intent to kill required.

She is charged with depraved heart murder 2 - no intent to kill required, only the intent to do an act that exhibits extreme recklessness and disregard for human life. An act like reversing a 6000lb SUV at 75% acceleration, 24mph, 60+ feet in the direction of a defenseless human being who just exited the same vehicle and whose general position is thus known to the driver.

There was no reason on earth for Karen to reverse the Lexus after dropping John off; never mind to do it at extremely reckless high speed. She didn't need to intend to kill him and as the prosecution already acknowledged in opening statement, they can't and won't prove that she intended his death. They will prove that she intended a reckless act exhibiting disregard for human life and that is second degree murder.

Keep trying. He wasn’t hit by a car. You can’t make that true.