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Anonymous wrote:I feel really bad for the kids involved. And for those kids, I am sorry that your parents made such poor (and criminal) decisions.

Some kids knew. One was on a conference call about it. Loughlin's youngest was asked by HS guidance counselor about crew. Counselor suggested s/he didn't think that the crew involvement was true. I think the kid knew.

So sad that Macy was in on it too w Huffman (& I liked her too. Until now). Dr. Morgenstern, no!!!! Physician, heal thyself.

Holy crap, I'd forgotten about that role! Thanks for the blast from the past, PP. God, I loved ER...

We have been rewatching it all, now that my kids are teens, and we have Hulu. Loving it. So sad about Dr. M, though. But, I can guess he probably has a tremendous ego.

It is not be figured out or solved. This country is really not a meritocracy although people pretend and have been raised to believe it is. A relative handful are of middle and lower-income students are allowed access to elite institutions to keep up the veneer of merit and the myth of economic mobility across generations.

The only universities in this country that seem to care only about academic performance is MIT and CalTech. I would be shocked if anyone tried to bribe their way in there because it is too hard and they really don’t care about athletics etc.

This particular scam may die but another scheme will be in place by the time your kid graduates from high school.

The wealthy elite will always find a way to make sure their kids families remain at the top of the heap.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni's op ed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/opinion/college-bribery-admissions.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment. Both are ways of cutting in line.

It may be legal to give $50,000 to a private consultant who massages your child’s transcript and perfumes your child’s essays, and illegal to pay someone for a patently fictive test score, but aren’t both exercises in deception reserved for those who can afford them?

It's not legal to "massage" a transcript (what does this even mean)? Or "perfume" an essay.

I found it interesting that Singer posed this scam as a "side door" for parents, saying that there was the "front door" (earning admission) and the "back door" (donating to the institution & using connections), but that the back door cost 10x more and was not guaranteed.

Yes, it is legal to "massage" a transcript. A college counselor can make your volunteering sound really good vs. I did 100 hours at a soup kitchen. Most people have somebody "edit" their kids essay, even if it is a family memeber.

They can't change your grades -- that's what "massage" would mean to me when it comes to a transcript. Proofing is not "perfuming," that wiould be doing some rewriting for the kid which would not be legal.

Anonymous wrote:Loughlin’s DD cashed in on USC admission:


https://pagesix.com/2019/03/12/lori-loughlins-daughter-cashed-in-on-student-status-after-alleged-bribery-scheme/

This article is gross. I mean the Loughlin daughter is gross.

She posts on YouTube, at some point, that she doesn’t care about school, just games and partying. And apparently decorating her dorm for insta sponsorship.

And going to Fiji and NY to “work” when school started.


This answers my question of how the fraud kids fare after the fact. I was wondering if they cheat their way through school, or fail out, or persuade profs to give them Cs. Cracks me up that their parents spent so much, and the children don’t even care!

Anyone remember the Apatow girl and how little she cared for school?

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

Many are. And some for just the accusation that’s then found to be untrue.

Son of a family friend was accused of rape at college. The college immediately told him he had to stay off campus while the investigation took place. Police found evidence that the young woman lied and the charges against him were dropped. The university still brought him before the board for a disciplinary hearing where they agreed he’d broken the school honor code. He was expelled. The parents consulted with a lawyer who told them they would be wasting their money as universities operate as independent entities with their own rules.

Let's start expelling every under age drinker and kids that smoke pot so we can get back to education. Besides these kids are criminals, I don't want them in our schools and they don't deserve to be.

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

First, I don’t think that’s what pp is saying.

Every kid who gained access through false pretenses should be expelled. Whether they knew or not. They broke the rules of the system.

Some were over 18, correct? Are they also criminally liable? Specifically the Loughlin daughters who faked being on crew team.

Some kids didn't know. I think Huffman/Macy kids were kept in the dark. I think Loughlin's kids (at least 2nd daughter) knew because HS counselor saw the bogus crew involvement for both sisters and questioned it to #2.

One kid was in on the conference call w/ dad & Singer. She knew for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we know who tipped off the feds about the scheme in the first place?

Someone was under investigation for something else, I think, and gave info leading to this. I think the first person to fold was a bribed soccer coach, then Singer gave all the parents up hoping to cut a deal. The FBI press conference essentially said they were just given info while pursuing a different investigation.

I read that it started because something was off in an audit of his charity (tax audit? 990 audit?) and then they started looking into big donors to his charity and finding out they all had kids who were applying to college and getting in at the same places.

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Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni's op ed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/opinion/college-bribery-admissions.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment. Both are ways of cutting in line.

It may be legal to give $50,000 to a private consultant who massages your child’s transcript and perfumes your child’s essays, and illegal to pay someone for a patently fictive test score, but aren’t both exercises in deception reserved for those who can afford them?

It's not legal to "massage" a transcript (what does this even mean)? Or "perfume" an essay.

I found it interesting that Singer posed this scam as a "side door" for parents, saying that there was the "front door" (earning admission) and the "back door" (donating to the institution & using connections), but that the back door cost 10x more and was not guaranteed.

Yes, it is legal to "massage" a transcript. A college counselor can make your volunteering sound really good vs. I did 100 hours at a soup kitchen. Most people have somebody "edit" their kids essay, even if it is a family memeber.

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

Many are. And some for just the accusation that’s then found to be untrue.

Son of a family friend was accused of rape at college. The college immediately told him he had to stay off campus while the investigation took place. Police found evidence that the young woman lied and the charges against him were dropped. The university still brought him before the board for a disciplinary hearing where they agreed he’d broken the school honor code. He was expelled. The parents consulted with a lawyer who told them they would be wasting their money as universities operate as independent entities with their own rules.

Anonymous wrote:Do we know who tipped off the feds about the scheme in the first place?

Someone was under investigation for something else, I think, and gave info leading to this. I think the first person to fold was a bribed soccer coach, then Singer gave all the parents up hoping to cut a deal. The FBI press conference essentially said they were just given info while pursuing a different investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

First, I don’t think that’s what pp is saying.

Every kid who gained access through false pretenses should be expelled. Whether they knew or not. They broke the rules of the system.

Every child that was a pawn should be expelled. That's like arresting a prostitute who was trafficked. Let keep the eye on the ball girls.

I know you're all pissy that some kid who did not "earn it" is in a college... gasp. But your lack of morals are showing.

Colleges don't want kids who are going to fail. Unless they are bribing their way through all four years its doubtful these kids will pass the classes. If you have to pay 6 or 7 figures to get in some of these schools that are not even ivy, the kids are probably dumb as a box of rocks.

And some of the kids were absolutely aware. Give me a break

Breaking news: Rich kids with low scores do just fine in college.

Anonymous wrote:Frank Bruni's op ed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/opinion/college-bribery-admissions.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment. Both are ways of cutting in line.

It may be legal to give $50,000 to a private consultant who massages your child’s transcript and perfumes your child’s essays, and illegal to pay someone for a patently fictive test score, but aren’t both exercises in deception reserved for those who can afford them?

It's not legal to "massage" a transcript (what does this even mean)? Or "perfume" an essay.

I found it interesting that Singer posed this scam as a "side door" for parents, saying that there was the "front door" (earning admission) and the "back door" (donating to the institution & using connections), but that the back door cost 10x more and was not guaranteed.

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

This is a no brainer. Laws were broken in efforts to dupe college admission. This wasn’t lying about being in Spanish club that one year. (Which is bad enough) This was blatant, and they were caught. Every kid who breaks the law? I don’t think so. These kids? Yes. There is zero tolerance for lying in college applications. Laws or no. You’re conflating 2 things.

How about we just list the laws that your kid breaks and say... that should NOT get you expelled and list all other laws and make those laws that warrant expulsion.

How about we focus on college admission? Because my kids are in elementary. I want this figured out. And parents and kids should know that there is zero tolerance for lying on applications.

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Anonymous wrote:TMZ is reporting that USC will evaluate on a case-by-case basis but will expel any students who were aware of the fraud. Didn't the Loughlin girl pose on a rowing machine so her dad could send "action pics" for her doctored admissions file? Hope she's kicked out STAT.

Amazing how morally bankrupt these parents and kids are.

Why do the kids need to know about the fraud? They should be kicked out because they were admitted on fradulent credentials. It doesn't matter if they knew or not. That's life.

+1 and the kids who got in based on sports know for a fact that they never rowed.

+2 they don’t deserve to be there and they should be removed

+3 I know people are being really mean about the kids on the internet. I think it’s trollish behavior meant to cause division. But these people broke the law. Done. The kids shouldn’t benefit from it. If you gain admission under false pretenses you get kicked out.

Every kid that breaks the law should be expelled?

First, I don’t think that’s what pp is saying.

Every kid who gained access through false pretenses should be expelled. Whether they knew or not. They broke the rules of the system.

Every child that was a pawn should be expelled. That's like arresting a prostitute who was trafficked. Let keep the eye on the ball girls.

I know you're all pissy that some kid who did not "earn it" is in a college... gasp. But your lack of morals are showing.

Colleges don't want kids who are going to fail. Unless they are bribing their way through all four years its doubtful these kids will pass the classes. If you have to pay 6 or 7 figures to get in some of these schools that are not even ivy, the kids are probably dumb as a box of rocks.

And some of the kids were absolutely aware. Give me a break

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Anonymous wrote:I feel really bad for the kids involved. And for those kids, I am sorry that your parents made such poor (and criminal) decisions.

Some kids knew. One was on a conference call about it. Loughlin's youngest was asked by HS guidance counselor about crew. Counselor suggested s/he didn't think that the crew involvement was true. I think the kid knew.

So sad that Macy was in on it too w Huffman (& I liked her too. Until now). Dr. Morgenstern, no!!!! Physician, heal thyself.

Holy crap, I'd forgotten about that role! Thanks for the blast from the past, PP. God, I loved ER...