Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 23:05     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Next shutdown/re opening vote in the Senate is Sunday at 1 am. Why 1 am?? I get that they want all day to convince each other/Dems/etc. But don't the votes take hours? Why start at 1 am so you're finishing at like3 am as people's alarms are going off at 6 to maybe get to work - or not?


Sorry - meant MONDAY at 1 am.


Because that’s the latest time he could push it to. If they pass a CR (no hope for an actual budget), everyone reports to work Monday morning; crisis averted until it all happens again in 3 or 4 weeks.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 22:41     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:Next shutdown/re opening vote in the Senate is Sunday at 1 am. Why 1 am?? I get that they want all day to convince each other/Dems/etc. But don't the votes take hours? Why start at 1 am so you're finishing at like3 am as people's alarms are going off at 6 to maybe get to work - or not?


Sorry - meant MONDAY at 1 am.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 22:41     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Next shutdown/re opening vote in the Senate is Sunday at 1 am. Why 1 am?? I get that they want all day to convince each other/Dems/etc. But don't the votes take hours? Why start at 1 am so you're finishing at like3 am as people's alarms are going off at 6 to maybe get to work - or not?
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 22:10     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:Is Congress working tomorrow and if so, any chance a deal is reached?


Yes, and slim. Would be nice, wouldn't it? Signs point to No, but we could all be pleasantly surprised.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 22:08     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric
Is Congress working tomorrow and if so, any chance a deal is reached?
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 21:21     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:Wow wolf blitzer is really going after blumenthal I've never seen anything like this


If believe this is the first time in recorded history that someone typed “wolf blitzer is really going after ...” He’s a lap dog.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 21:17     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:

When you've lost the NYT...

Hon, they profiled right wing gun nut Dana Loesch today. They’re having a few problems over there.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 20:59     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:
Good. Let's call a spade a spade. We'd be open on a CR right now if they had just agreed to the CR + CHIP but nooooooooo because . . . illegals . . . .


We'd be open on a CR right now so that we can do it all again in February.

What is the definition of crazy? Doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result?
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 20:20     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:

When you've lost the NYT...


Good. Let's call a spade a spade. We'd be open on a CR right now if they had just agreed to the CR + CHIP but nooooooooo because . . . illegals . . . .
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 20:00     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
GOP Strategist: Shutdown is Trump's fault

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/369903-gop-strategist-shutdown-is-on-trump-and-gop

I mean, if GOP can't agree it is the dems, how is the American public supposed to arrive at that conclusion?

Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 19:53     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Former RNC Chair:

This Shutdown is at the feet of the GOP


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/369917-former-rnc-chair-gop-could-have-avoided-shutdown


Pretty telling.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 19:26     Subject: Re:Shutdown Rhetoric


When you've lost the NYT...
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 19:13     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Congress never presented Trump with a bill to sign. the gang of six represented only themselves, not a majority much less 60 votes in the Senate. All the Senate needs to do is get 60 votes to pass what passed in the House but Schumer picked the wrong hill to die on with this manufactured crisis. All trump needs to do is wait and schumer will have to cave. After all most of those furloughed bureaucrats are democrats. Schumer needs to cut a deal with McConnell that will get 60 and trump will sign it. Trump needs to do no heavy lifting on this at all. He can just wait until the dems cave. They will.

Schumer needs to cut a deal with McConnell?? No. Try again. McConnell doesn’t even have all the Rs in his corner.

Schumer and the Ds *had* agreed on a compromise, on DACA and on CHIP, and Rs agreed. Trump himself agreed and in the next breath changed his mind.

Now it is coming out that Schumer et al even agreed to funding toward a wall if given their DACA requests. Trump apparently turned that down. Trump may not have to do the heavy lifting but he is creating the heavy lifting headache for the GOP Congress.


The Dems presented amnesty with no concessions other than lip service to border security but absolutely nothing to mitigate the effect of amnestying hundreds of thousands if not millions of people nor anything to discourage future illegal immigration.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 19:13     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
I just heard Democrats tagged on today another wish that they now want a $60 BIllion bailout of union pensions.

Why should tax payers fund that??
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2018 19:07     Subject: Shutdown Rhetoric
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Congress never presented Trump with a bill to sign. the gang of six represented only themselves, not a majority much less 60 votes in the Senate. All the Senate needs to do is get 60 votes to pass what passed in the House but Schumer picked the wrong hill to die on with this manufactured crisis. All trump needs to do is wait and schumer will have to cave. After all most of those furloughed bureaucrats are democrats. Schumer needs to cut a deal with McConnell that will get 60 and trump will sign it. Trump needs to do no heavy lifting on this at all. He can just wait until the dems cave. They will.

Schumer definitely manufactured this crisis. I suspect he wanted to throw a wrench in the works, deflect from all the positive economic good news, and bring more negative press (that's not hard to do) onto Trump.

DACA should NEVER have been part of a government funding bill.


Exactly.

But the media will posit this as the Rs fault. The fact is that there is nothing in the bill that D's disagree with. They just realized they could use the livelihoods of nearly 1 million innocent Americans (I'm not a fed, so not personally impacted) to squeeze out benefits for DACA kids. It's simply proving what people have been complaining about - that liberals care more about illegal immigrants than the welfare of American citizens.


Liberals are tired of Democratic representatives and senators caving in to Republicans without getting anything in return.

They need to stand their ground. Send the Graham-Durbin bill to Trump. He said he'd sign anything, so why isn't he getting this bill that will get enough bi-partisan support?