Anonymous
12/06/2021 13:59
Subject: Re:To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous
12/06/2021 13:47
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.
Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.
Both are public elites (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA)
Anonymous
12/06/2021 06:02
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.
Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.
As long as these clowns are arguing over umich vs uva, a strong case can be made to add UMBC to the elite list. UMBV is like the SLACs of the state universities. If UMICH and UVA were Harvard and Yale, UMBC is the smaller Amherst. This nonsense all began when some idiot added Stanford as T5 elite.
Anonymous
12/06/2021 05:28
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.
Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.
Anonymous
12/06/2021 02:07
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.
lol don't lie, both UVA and Umich aren't that selective
Anonymous
12/05/2021 23:40
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:How did a great thread about elite schools devolve into two randos from TTTs like Michigan and Virginia bickering about which of these state-funded utilities with 400,000 students is incrementally less embarrassing than the other?
If you didn’t go to Harvard or Yale, or at least pair a top prep school with an expensive SLAC where you walk around all day with a lax stick, you did not have an elite UG experience.
No one cares that you went to some no-name tiny liberal arts school in the middle of nowhere. Bowdoin? Middlebury? Swarthmore? Literally no one cares. They don't even merit a mention on these kinds of threads.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 23:18
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
How did a great thread about elite schools devolve into two randos from TTTs like Michigan and Virginia bickering about which of these state-funded utilities with 400,000 students is incrementally less embarrassing than the other?
If you didn’t go to Harvard or Yale, or at least pair a top prep school with an expensive SLAC where you walk around all day with a lax stick, you did not have an elite UG experience.
If you didn’t go to Harvard or Yale, or at least pair a top prep school with an expensive SLAC where you walk around all day with a lax stick, you did not have an elite UG experience.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 23:10
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 23:08
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 22:26
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
How could nobody outside Michigan know the 19th best university in the world (USNews, 24THE)?
Anonymous
12/05/2021 21:58
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Neither one is elite.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 20:38
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
LOL, not true.
The alumni network across the country and world is among the largest and most active.
The alumni network across the country and world is among the largest and most active.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 20:08
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 17:22
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.
Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.
Anonymous
12/05/2021 17:18
Subject: To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.
And UVA and UNC…
Or, none of the above. . .
Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.
Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.
If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.
Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.
This.
Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.
UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL
Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.
WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.