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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

Because I love Langdon and it’s just a TV show. Chill out.

Don't share your opinion if you aren't comfortable with people disagreeing.

It defies logic to expect Al-Hashimi to just instantly forgive Langdon for committing a felony and lying just because you think Patrick Ball is hot and charming.

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

What if she found out about McKay’s ankle monitor? Would she then treat her differently?

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

Because I love Langdon and it’s just a TV show. Chill out.

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Anonymous wrote:I also liked this episode, even though I felt frustrated when it ended because things are really ramping up and I didn't want to say goodbye for a whole week.

I am glad that seen with Robby and Al-Hashimi happened early in the episode, where she's just like "wow everyone here seems messed up, there need to be more attendings to deal with it." She's right but can the hospital even afford that? Without giving up other staffing? I feel like that's a central part of the problem -- these people are constantly asked to do more with less and of course they are burned out.

Did Joy really just leave? On the one hand, more power to her for having some boundaries and leaving at the end of her shift (she'd been there for 12 hours, that is enough). On the other hand, I like Joy and would like to see more of her so I'm disappointed. Maybe she'll wind up back at the hospital for another reason (not imminent death, please).

I found this to be very accurate and a reflection of current times and GenZ attitudes.

She wants to go into pathology because she hates people anyway, so what does she care?

PP here. I didn't find it unrealistic -- it seems fully in keeping with her character. I'm just bummed to see her go because I really like her character and feel she's a valuable counterbalance to some of the other people on the show.

Also I don't think she actually hates people. I think she is a very emotionally mature person who gets tired of dealing with people who are mostly pretty emotionally stunted. She strikes me as someone who was likely parentified as a child and therefore has spent most of her life having to be the practical, competent one to help others in her family. I suspect her aversion to the ED has to do with that, and recognizing she doesn't want to go right from a childhood where she always had to be the grown up even to parents and grand parents, to a career where she sees a lot of doctors taking on that same role with regards to their patients and to other doctors.

Pathologists still deal with people all the time, like any professional does, but they don't have the same level of responsibility to their patients (there is still a responsibility, but it's fundamentally different because their patients are dead) as an ED doc does. Kudos to Joy for figuring that out early -- I suspect many people in this ED have similar issues, actually, but they didn't figure that out.

If I can predict the future ...

I think Ogilvie will run screaming from emergency medicine.

But I think Joy will grow to love it.

(I also think Mohan will accept the suggestions to do geriatrics, and I think Javadi will get out of medicine entirely, or maybe do psych.)

I totally disagree. I think he’s going to have a huge character arc. Starting with developing compassion which he seemed to with McKay when they treated the unhoused woman.

LOL…. bad day

Anonymous wrote:McKay seems like the most stable person in the ER this season. Handling cases well, showing empathy, trying to mentor Olgivy. Other than the lapse of judgment in leaving the hospital to treat a patient without telling anyone, she's probably the only character I'm not worried about having a breakdown.

She asked her colleague to cover for a bit. The time it took to help that patient in the park was the amount of time a BM might take on a bday day.

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

+1. That’s what happens in the real world when someone screws up. And in this case, rhe screw up put patients, colleagues, and the hospital at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

Uh, why not? She just found out that he has a history stealing drugs, and she now knows that he was dishonest with her when she asked him why Santos doesn't like him. Of course she's now on his ass -- he has proven himself to be untrustworthy. He should have been more forthcoming with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I mean. He really should be in jail.

I work in health care and know people who have skimmed drugs at work or forged prescriptions. None have gone to jail. The board has suspended licenses until intervention programs were completed and had 2 to 5 yrs of supervision after, ie random drug screens etc. 2 people were terminated from their jobs but they were at private offices.

Even though he substituted medicine and let it be administered to a patient? That is more than skimming.

Did anyone listen to the podcast a few years back about a nurse who did this to patients undergoing fertility procedures- I think at Yale Hospital. It was so sad.

Yes, The Retrievals. It was very good!

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Anonymous wrote:Langdon didn’t get off with a pass. Santos is sanctimonious with the limited perspective of youth. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone screws up. The majority of people deserve a second chance. He’s trying to make right, he’s not perfect.

Life is not black or white, it’s a lot of gray

I mean. He really should be in jail.

I work in health care and know people who have skimmed drugs at work or forged prescriptions. None have gone to jail. The board has suspended licenses until intervention programs were completed and had 2 to 5 yrs of supervision after, ie random drug screens etc. 2 people were terminated from their jobs but they were at private offices.

Even though he substituted medicine and let it be administered to a patient? That is more than skimming.

Did anyone listen to the podcast a few years back about a nurse who did this to patients undergoing fertility procedures- I think at Yale Hospital. It was so sad.

Huckleberry is the only resident/intern/med student on the show who I could see thriving in ER work (and McKay, I suppose). I’d slot them as follows:

Javadi - something cerebral like pulmonology
Oglevie - neurology (if he keeps becoming more patient focused, perhaps even pediatric neurology)
Joy - pathology or genetics
Santos - ortho surgeon
Huckleberry - rural ER
King - psychiatry
Mohan - geriatrics or cardiology (not surgeon)
McKay - pediatrician incl free clinic

I absolutely loved the fight between Dana and Robby. Wow. Great acting!

Anonymous wrote:The way Al-Hashimi gets on Langdon's ass when she learns the circumstances of how he got sent to rehab, though.

Yeah I didn’t like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I also liked this episode, even though I felt frustrated when it ended because things are really ramping up and I didn't want to say goodbye for a whole week.

I am glad that seen with Robby and Al-Hashimi happened early in the episode, where she's just like "wow everyone here seems messed up, there need to be more attendings to deal with it." She's right but can the hospital even afford that? Without giving up other staffing? I feel like that's a central part of the problem -- these people are constantly asked to do more with less and of course they are burned out.

Did Joy really just leave? On the one hand, more power to her for having some boundaries and leaving at the end of her shift (she'd been there for 12 hours, that is enough). On the other hand, I like Joy and would like to see more of her so I'm disappointed. Maybe she'll wind up back at the hospital for another reason (not imminent death, please).

I found this to be very accurate and a reflection of current times and GenZ attitudes.

She wants to go into pathology because she hates people anyway, so what does she care?

PP here. I didn't find it unrealistic -- it seems fully in keeping with her character. I'm just bummed to see her go because I really like her character and feel she's a valuable counterbalance to some of the other people on the show.

Also I don't think she actually hates people. I think she is a very emotionally mature person who gets tired of dealing with people who are mostly pretty emotionally stunted. She strikes me as someone who was likely parentified as a child and therefore has spent most of her life having to be the practical, competent one to help others in her family. I suspect her aversion to the ED has to do with that, and recognizing she doesn't want to go right from a childhood where she always had to be the grown up even to parents and grand parents, to a career where she sees a lot of doctors taking on that same role with regards to their patients and to other doctors.

Pathologists still deal with people all the time, like any professional does, but they don't have the same level of responsibility to their patients (there is still a responsibility, but it's fundamentally different because their patients are dead) as an ED doc does. Kudos to Joy for figuring that out early -- I suspect many people in this ED have similar issues, actually, but they didn't figure that out.

If I can predict the future ...

I think Ogilvie will run screaming from emergency medicine.

But I think Joy will grow to love it.

(I also think Mohan will accept the suggestions to do geriatrics, and I think Javadi will get out of medicine entirely, or maybe do psych.)

Anonymous wrote:McKay seems like the most stable person in the ER this season. Handling cases well, showing empathy, trying to mentor Olgivy. Other than the lapse of judgment in leaving the hospital to treat a patient without telling anyone, she's probably the only character I'm not worried about having a breakdown.

Agree she's been really together this whole season. Though that makes her monologue in this last episode about how she can't cry and doesn't remember when she last cried, and wondering what this job is doing to her emotionally, pretty interesting. There was also an exchange between her and Al-Hashimi about the mom of the hot car kid, where they talked about what their instincts were about the mom as doctors, and then also as mothers (which is how we learn Al-Hashimi is a mom!).

All of which is to say that even though McKay is having a better work day than others on staff (Robby, Santos, Mel), that doesn't mean she's not at risk for burn out or a break down. It reminds me of when my brother went through a divorce, and one of his kids was a mess about it and the other was really mature and measured and calm. People would remark about how one kid was handling it poorly and the other was handling it well. I really hated this way of describing it, because having access to understandable emotions (like grief, sadness, and anger upon learning your parents have decided to break up your family and life as you know it) is not "handling it poorly." It's human and, as Langdon points out, expressing those feelings might actually make you feel better and do better in the future. Whereas stuffing your feelings down and convincing yourself and others that you are fine, in order to make it easier for other people, is not necessarily "handling it well." It's a coping mechanism that can make things easier in the short term but can have very negative longterm consequences. McKay is talking about some of those negative longterm consequences.