Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:12
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
There is no way to do the boundaries where you don't get stupid stuff like this unless you scrap all the schools (not boundaries but actual school locations) and start again. FCPS is old, the county has changed massively since it was founded. The older high schools were built, purposefully, near population centers when a lot of the county was still farmland. Then they over built schools relative to our current population because of the baby boom. And then as the land in Fairfax got scarce, they built them wherever they could. This is all compounded by the fact that they added middle schools (switching from a 1-7 and 8-12 system) AND racially integrated in the same year in 1960 resulting in the completely wrong mix of buildings and locations.
This particular school board is massively incompetent but the absolute best board would still have to make decisions that feel wrong and weird. There are four closer middle schools to the one we are zoned for. But there are middle schools right on top of each other and edges of the county where you are 25 minutes away from ANY middle school. You can't draw lines and fix that.
This is a great point…even removing the neighborhoods currently at Crossfield from the equation, Oakton’s boundaries are all over the place and heavily shifted west in comparison to any other school. Looking at a map the comparison is drastic.
Which they sort of have to be because it's 10 minutes or less to Madison, Fairfax and Woodson. Is it ideal? Of course not. But it's not fixable in the short term.
And, an extremely large development is going up soon within its boundaries. And, Oakton is approaching capacity at present. Frisch brought this up at one of the meetings.
By my count there are 5 extremely large developments going up soon within the Oakton boundary, for a total of 3,117 housing units of various types.
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/
Redwood Plaza: 88 single family townhouses, 186 triplexes
Flint Hill Office Park 1 & 4: 196 townhouses
Flint Hill Office Park 3 (3201 Jermantown Rd): 139 townhouses
https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/05/29/sweeping-mixed-use-makeover-proposed-for-fair-oaks-business-park/
Fair Oakes Business Park: 420 multifamily apartments, 286 townhouses
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/10/21/developers-plan-to-replace-fairfax-ridge-office-building-with-housing-takes-step-forward/
Fairfax Ridge: 400 multifamily residential units
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/03/20/county-to-study-chain-bridge-road-after-making-way-for-oakton-att-site-redevelopment/
AT&T Site: 854 units
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/06/12/plan-to-redevelop-former-icf-offices-in-oakton-wins-county-boards-blessing/
ICF International Site: 472 unit apartment building, 76 townhouses
I counted 4100 near Whiele Ave metro for south lakes, but somehow the solution people are proposing is to add other areas to SL under 3 proposals?
Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:11
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
This is what I keep coming back to when I think about all this. Like something isn’t right here. At least the Great Falls people can argue that there’s only one other high school closer to them. How did we end up in this situation? I really wish we were zoned for Chantilly.
SAME. Now that high school is in sight for my kids and we are shuttling them back and forth to everything all the time, I really wish we'd chosen a house zoned to a closer high school. I mean, FFS, all of my kids' sports and other activities are in the direction of Chantilly or KAA. It's going to be a real pain in the butt getting a high schooler to and from Oakton and then to Chantilly for activities. I can't believe people do this all the time and want it to continue, LOL!
If your house search was anything like ours, you had like four hours after looking at the house to decide if you wanted to put in an offer. We don’t have the luxury of weighing all these pros and cons when a home comes up for sale.
To finish my thought: even if you had held out for a home zone for Chantilly, there’s no guarantee you would’ve beaten out all the other offers. In a sellers market, you have to act quickly on any home that remotely suits your needs.
Yes, and I said earlier today, we did look at houses zoned to Chantilly and South Lakes, too. In my mind, all of these are good high schools. I am definitely in the minority but I wouldn't be upset with my kids going to South Lakes EXCEPT for the fact that I prefer an AP school.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:09
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
There are STILL five elementary schools that are closer to KAA than Crossfield. FIVE.
Your point doesn't work, because as we've discussed at length here, a lot of Crossfield families also live closer to those elementary schools, too. I know I live closer to KAA than a lot of people in Fox Mill Estates and people zoned to McNair and Coates. It's not about the schools, it's about where people live.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:08
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do these entitled Oakton and Langley people think they deserve a menu of options and they can select their favorite? We are zoned for a mediocre school. No one is giving our kids an option to go somewhere else. It is what it is.
Why is there a demand to live in some locations more so than others?
I can't possibly think why that might be!
I bet a your local real estate agent can explain it?
Ha, yep. That prior poster whines incessantly about schools that are ranked higher than hers. It’s a clear inferiority complex, and for her, misery loves company.
DP. I'm sorry, but you people are so over the top annoying that I hope you get rezoned just to give you some humility. And to be blunt, your location sucks! I skipped right over it when buying a house. The schools are far away, shopping is far away, entertainment and activities are far away, commuter access is far away. I guess I can see why you are clinging to school rankings as the only thing you have going for you.
Fair Oaks mall, costco, whole foods are all 10 min away from crossfield. Reston Town center is maybe 15.
I mean if your driving to tysons 2 to shop then sure it's a bit of a drive.
I live here too and let’s be real the only good place that’s close by is RTC. I like that we can to a lot within about 20 min but we aren’t in some amazing fun place. It’s just good old suburbia.
But this is exactly why we moved here - I don't want to live close to things. We previously lived in a really congested area and even though there were things that were closer, it took forever to get there because of traffic/pedestrians/so many lights. It takes me just as long to get anywhere from where we live now as it did when we lived closer in. And I have a big yard and access to walking trails. And I'm a lot closer to all the wine, LOL!
And, your kids can go out and play without having to take them to a park. Big plus!
Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:05
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do these entitled Oakton and Langley people think they deserve a menu of options and they can select their favorite? We are zoned for a mediocre school. No one is giving our kids an option to go somewhere else. It is what it is.
Why is there a demand to live in some locations more so than others?
I can't possibly think why that might be!
I bet a your local real estate agent can explain it?
Ha, yep. That prior poster whines incessantly about schools that are ranked higher than hers. It’s a clear inferiority complex, and for her, misery loves company.
DP. I'm sorry, but you people are so over the top annoying that I hope you get rezoned just to give you some humility. And to be blunt, your location sucks! I skipped right over it when buying a house. The schools are far away, shopping is far away, entertainment and activities are far away, commuter access is far away. I guess I can see why you are clinging to school rankings as the only thing you have going for you.
Fair Oaks mall, costco, whole foods are all 10 min away from crossfield. Reston Town center is maybe 15.
I mean if your driving to tysons 2 to shop then sure it's a bit of a drive.
I live here too and let’s be real the only good place that’s close by is RTC. I like that we can to a lot within about 20 min but we aren’t in some amazing fun place. It’s just good old suburbia.
But this is exactly why we moved here - I don't want to live close to things. We previously lived in a really congested area and even though there were things that were closer, it took forever to get there because of traffic/pedestrians/so many lights. It takes me just as long to get anywhere from where we live now as it did when we lived closer in. And I have a big yard and access to walking trails. And I'm a lot closer to all the wine, LOL!
Anonymous
11/06/2025 18:03
Subject: Re:Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
These were the goals for Boundary Review:
Ensure equitable access to programs and facilities.
Balance available capacity to make the best use of our school facilities.
Establish consistent “attendance zones” by removing isolated attendance areas and reducing split feeder patterns. This would increase the likelihood that students from the same neighborhood would be assigned to the same schools which are also the closest option.
Minimize travel time for students.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 17:54
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
This is what I keep coming back to when I think about all this. Like something isn’t right here. At least the Great Falls people can argue that there’s only one other high school closer to them. How did we end up in this situation? I really wish we were zoned for Chantilly.
SAME. Now that high school is in sight for my kids and we are shuttling them back and forth to everything all the time, I really wish we'd chosen a house zoned to a closer high school. I mean, FFS, all of my kids' sports and other activities are in the direction of Chantilly or KAA. It's going to be a real pain in the butt getting a high schooler to and from Oakton and then to Chantilly for activities. I can't believe people do this all the time and want it to continue, LOL!
If your house search was anything like ours, you had like four hours after looking at the house to decide if you wanted to put in an offer. We don’t have the luxury of weighing all these pros and cons when a home comes up for sale.
To finish my thought: even if you had held out for a home zone for Chantilly, there’s no guarantee you would’ve beaten out all the other offers. In a sellers market, you have to act quickly on any home that remotely suits your needs.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 17:52
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
This is what I keep coming back to when I think about all this. Like something isn’t right here. At least the Great Falls people can argue that there’s only one other high school closer to them. How did we end up in this situation? I really wish we were zoned for Chantilly.
SAME. Now that high school is in sight for my kids and we are shuttling them back and forth to everything all the time, I really wish we'd chosen a house zoned to a closer high school. I mean, FFS, all of my kids' sports and other activities are in the direction of Chantilly or KAA. It's going to be a real pain in the butt getting a high schooler to and from Oakton and then to Chantilly for activities. I can't believe people do this all the time and want it to continue, LOL!
If your house search was anything like ours, you had like four hours after looking at the house to decide if you wanted to put in an offer. We don’t have the luxury of weighing all these pros and cons when a home comes up for sale.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 17:46
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
Most of which are overcapacity!
Oh but the BuS rIDeS!
KAA won't be overcapacity. South Lakes isn't overcapacity.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 17:45
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
This is what I keep coming back to when I think about all this. Like something isn’t right here. At least the Great Falls people can argue that there’s only one other high school closer to them. How did we end up in this situation? I really wish we were zoned for Chantilly.
SAME. Now that high school is in sight for my kids and we are shuttling them back and forth to everything all the time, I really wish we'd chosen a house zoned to a closer high school. I mean, FFS, all of my kids' sports and other activities are in the direction of Chantilly or KAA. It's going to be a real pain in the butt getting a high schooler to and from Oakton and then to Chantilly for activities. I can't believe people do this all the time and want it to continue, LOL!
Anonymous
11/06/2025 17:42
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
There are STILL five elementary schools that are closer to KAA than Crossfield. FIVE.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 16:54
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do these entitled Oakton and Langley people think they deserve a menu of options and they can select their favorite? We are zoned for a mediocre school. No one is giving our kids an option to go somewhere else. It is what it is.
Why is there a demand to live in some locations more so than others?
I can't possibly think why that might be!
I bet a your local real estate agent can explain it?
Ha, yep. That prior poster whines incessantly about schools that are ranked higher than hers. It’s a clear inferiority complex, and for her, misery loves company.
DP. I'm sorry, but you people are so over the top annoying that I hope you get rezoned just to give you some humility. And to be blunt, your location sucks! I skipped right over it when buying a house. The schools are far away, shopping is far away, entertainment and activities are far away, commuter access is far away. I guess I can see why you are clinging to school rankings as the only thing you have going for you.
Fair Oaks mall, costco, whole foods are all 10 min away from crossfield. Reston Town center is maybe 15.
I mean if your driving to tysons 2 to shop then sure it's a bit of a drive.
I live here too and let’s be real the only good place that’s close by is RTC. I like that we can to a lot within about 20 min but we aren’t in some amazing fun place. It’s just good old suburbia.
People with families are more interested in food shopping and kids' activities than the restaurants and bars at RTC. They are fun--but they are not daily needs.
We have Air and Space Museum, Frying Pan Park, youth sports, trails, and more. And, Metro with parking lots is within a few miles.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 16:41
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do these entitled Oakton and Langley people think they deserve a menu of options and they can select their favorite? We are zoned for a mediocre school. No one is giving our kids an option to go somewhere else. It is what it is.
Why is there a demand to live in some locations more so than others?
I can't possibly think why that might be!
I bet a your local real estate agent can explain it?
Ha, yep. That prior poster whines incessantly about schools that are ranked higher than hers. It’s a clear inferiority complex, and for her, misery loves company.
DP. I'm sorry, but you people are so over the top annoying that I hope you get rezoned just to give you some humility. And to be blunt, your location sucks! I skipped right over it when buying a house. The schools are far away, shopping is far away, entertainment and activities are far away, commuter access is far away. I guess I can see why you are clinging to school rankings as the only thing you have going for you.
Fair Oaks mall, costco, whole foods are all 10 min away from crossfield. Reston Town center is maybe 15.
I mean if your driving to tysons 2 to shop then sure it's a bit of a drive.
I live here too and let’s be real the only good place that’s close by is RTC. I like that we can to a lot within about 20 min but we aren’t in some amazing fun place. It’s just good old suburbia.
Anonymous
11/06/2025 16:39
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't the eastern side of Crossfield’s boundary is actually quite far from the new school?
Crossfield is probably the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration from KAA.
The eastern side of Crossfield goes to Hughes/South Lakes.
That's only a small pocket and even that pocket would feed into KAA under Options C and D. There are also a number of Crossfield kids east of Lawyers Road attending Carson and Oakton. In fact, the entire Crossfield boundary sits east of Fairfax County Parkway.
I think pro Oakton families should use the fact Crossfield is the farthest of all the elementary schools under consideration. That would be a stronger argument than “rooted in Oakton.”
There are STILL five high schools now that are closer to our homes than Oakton. FIVE.
There is no way to do the boundaries where you don't get stupid stuff like this unless you scrap all the schools (not boundaries but actual school locations) and start again. FCPS is old, the county has changed massively since it was founded. The older high schools were built, purposefully, near population centers when a lot of the county was still farmland. Then they over built schools relative to our current population because of the baby boom. And then as the land in Fairfax got scarce, they built them wherever they could. This is all compounded by the fact that they added middle schools (switching from a 1-7 and 8-12 system) AND racially integrated in the same year in 1960 resulting in the completely wrong mix of buildings and locations.
This particular school board is massively incompetent but the absolute best board would still have to make decisions that feel wrong and weird. There are four closer middle schools to the one we are zoned for. But there are middle schools right on top of each other and edges of the county where you are 25 minutes away from ANY middle school. You can't draw lines and fix that.
This is a great point…even removing the neighborhoods currently at Crossfield from the equation, Oakton’s boundaries are all over the place and heavily shifted west in comparison to any other school. Looking at a map the comparison is drastic.
Which they sort of have to be because it's 10 minutes or less to Madison, Fairfax and Woodson. Is it ideal? Of course not. But it's not fixable in the short term.
And, an extremely large development is going up soon within its boundaries. And, Oakton is approaching capacity at present. Frisch brought this up at one of the meetings.
By my count there are 5 extremely large developments going up soon within the Oakton boundary, for a total of 3,117 housing units of various types.
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/
Redwood Plaza: 88 single family townhouses, 186 triplexes
Flint Hill Office Park 1 & 4: 196 townhouses
Flint Hill Office Park 3 (3201 Jermantown Rd): 139 townhouses
https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/05/29/sweeping-mixed-use-makeover-proposed-for-fair-oaks-business-park/
Fair Oakes Business Park: 420 multifamily apartments, 286 townhouses
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/10/21/developers-plan-to-replace-fairfax-ridge-office-building-with-housing-takes-step-forward/
Fairfax Ridge: 400 multifamily residential units
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/03/20/county-to-study-chain-bridge-road-after-making-way-for-oakton-att-site-redevelopment/
AT&T Site: 854 units
https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/06/12/plan-to-redevelop-former-icf-offices-in-oakton-wins-county-boards-blessing/
ICF International Site: 472 unit apartment building, 76 townhouses
Anonymous
11/06/2025 16:38
Subject: Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do these entitled Oakton and Langley people think they deserve a menu of options and they can select their favorite? We are zoned for a mediocre school. No one is giving our kids an option to go somewhere else. It is what it is.
Why is there a demand to live in some locations more so than others?
I can't possibly think why that might be!
I bet a your local real estate agent can explain it?
Ha, yep. That prior poster whines incessantly about schools that are ranked higher than hers. It’s a clear inferiority complex, and for her, misery loves company.
DP. I'm sorry, but you people are so over the top annoying that I hope you get rezoned just to give you some humility. And to be blunt, your location sucks! I skipped right over it when buying a house. The schools are far away, shopping is far away, entertainment and activities are far away, commuter access is far away. I guess I can see why you are clinging to school rankings as the only thing you have going for you.
How will I ever survive living in all of this peace and tranquility instead of dealing with neighborhoods on top of each other?
But seriously, glad you didn’t make a choice that wasn’t right for you. We made a choice that was right for us, and of course love our neighborhood and community schools.
I'm not ordinarily so nasty but I have seen multiple posts by PP or others saying people must be insecure, jealous etc and that is why they people are offended at the Crossfield obsession with Oakton. I was just offering a reality check to that specific PP.