Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:23
Subject: Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
A journalist that witnessed and recorded the incident on the F train gives an interview of what really happened.
https://www.curbed.com/2023/05/bystander-jordan-neely-recording-juan-vasquez-interview.html
https://www.curbed.com/2023/05/bystander-jordan-neely-recording-juan-vasquez-interview.html
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:08
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
How do you know he was in a chokehold for 15 minutes? I'm not sure that is correct. Whether he used excessive force in applying the chokehold is absolutely an issue in this case, regardless of the duration.
“ Neely was held in the chokehold for about 15 minutes, Vazquez said. The video showed two other subway riders appearing to help restrain him.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna84117
Does that even make sense? How long does it take between stations?
That was the other reason I was asking about the 15 minutes. Some people have said that there aren't 15 minutes between stations and the witnesses have described Neely's actions continuing for some time before Penny intervened.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:07
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
How do you know he was in a chokehold for 15 minutes? I'm not sure that is correct. Whether he used excessive force in applying the chokehold is absolutely an issue in this case, regardless of the duration.
“ Neely was held in the chokehold for about 15 minutes, Vazquez said. The video showed two other subway riders appearing to help restrain him.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna84117
I asked because, more recently, it has been reported that 15 minutes may have been the police response time, not the time Neely was in a chokehold.
It's interesting how people believe that witness's account when it comes to how long the chokehold lasted but not when he said that Penny would have been a hero if the police had gotten there sooner.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:05
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
How do you know he was in a chokehold for 15 minutes? I'm not sure that is correct. Whether he used excessive force in applying the chokehold is absolutely an issue in this case, regardless of the duration.
“ Neely was held in the chokehold for about 15 minutes, Vazquez said. The video showed two other subway riders appearing to help restrain him.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna84117
Does that even make sense? How long does it take between stations?
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:04
Subject: Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
--snip --
Now imagine if a WHITE bystander had intervened. Maybe stepping in to hold Newley’s arms so the Marine would feel safe relenting. Or perhaps striking the Marine to get him to break the chokehold.
That would be an affront to White solidarity. A betrayal of the bargain that if you let the protector use deadly force against a black “threat”, the protector won’t turn in fury on you.
Because that Marine or the arriving police most certainly would have turned on you White person if you had intervened against a white hero to save a Black man. And you would rightfully be desperate to save your own life against their rage, their retribution for your betrayal.
So no, people were not going to be intervening to save Neely from the chokehold. And I highly doubt the Marine will be convicted for anything arising from his actions.
It looked to me from the video that the guy who stepped in to help hold Neely's arms down was black.
Clearly he was doing his part to uphold White solidarity...
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:03
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
How do you know he was in a chokehold for 15 minutes? I'm not sure that is correct. Whether he used excessive force in applying the chokehold is absolutely an issue in this case, regardless of the duration.
“ Neely was held in the chokehold for about 15 minutes, Vazquez said. The video showed two other subway riders appearing to help restrain him.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna84117
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:01
Subject: Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:
--snip --
Now imagine if a WHITE bystander had intervened. Maybe stepping in to hold Newley’s arms so the Marine would feel safe relenting. Or perhaps striking the Marine to get him to break the chokehold.
That would be an affront to White solidarity. A betrayal of the bargain that if you let the protector use deadly force against a black “threat”, the protector won’t turn in fury on you.
Because that Marine or the arriving police most certainly would have turned on you White person if you had intervened against a white hero to save a Black man. And you would rightfully be desperate to save your own life against their rage, their retribution for your betrayal.
So no, people were not going to be intervening to save Neely from the chokehold. And I highly doubt the Marine will be convicted for anything arising from his actions.
It looked to me from the video that the guy who stepped in to help hold Neely's arms down was black.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:00
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.
A jury will decide.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:56
Subject: Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Penny’s fundraiser: $767k
Neely’s fundraiser: $61k
Let’s go you Neely supporters! Step up!
Only if it doesn’t cost them anything lol
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:54
Subject: Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Penny’s fundraiser: $767k
Neely’s fundraiser: $61k
Not even close to Rittenhouse
How much was collected for both sides?
Didn’t follow that one
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:43
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
How do you know he was in a chokehold for 15 minutes? I'm not sure that is correct. Whether he used excessive force in applying the chokehold is absolutely an issue in this case, regardless of the duration.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:42
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.
I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:22
Subject: Re:Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?
There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.
If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.
Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.