Anonymous
08/08/2025 21:47
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Why would Europe and Ukraine agree to this?
Europe doesn't really have the capability to support Ukraine. Some are bumping up defense spending to 5 percent of GDP now, but it's a little late. The reality is that Europeans and Canada have been parasitical countries for decades, simply relying on the US. And now they have the most significant war since WWII and Donald Trump to deal with with. And they are completely unprepared.
Europe is saying the right things now - and some countries, like Poland, the Baltics, and the Nordics have been on top of things. But good lord, western European countries have been pathetic for so many decades that it's going to be difficult to ramp them up for a major threat. But they do seem committed to supporting Ukraine - in their easygoing, no hurry, comfortable way.
If you are ever dependent on Canada, or Spain, or Belgium, or Italy, just surrender and get it done with. Absolutely pathetic countries.
But some countries are stepping up, like Germany, Netherlands and France - and the Nordic countries and Eastern Europe.
But the war in Ukraine is a very high intensity war. And NATO doctrine doesn't accommodate long wars. There isn't enough ammo out there to support three years of war. And then add the changing nature of warfare - drones - and it's clear the lazy West isn't prepared for this. At all.
Ukraine will have to make its choice. But this war does highlight how inadequate the US and the West are in near peer conflict. The US has air power now, and long may it continue. But it is a grim battlefield today. Unsurvivable for soldiers on the ground.
And Russian men have a very bizarre willingness to die. They are riding motorcycles now on their assaults over open land - and getting destroyed by drones, mines, and dialed-in artillery. The whole thing is sad and awful.
Anonymous
08/08/2025 21:25
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Duh, because of this July 2025 poll of Ukrainians:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
“Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.
More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.
This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.“
What happened to anti-war Dems?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
“Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.
More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.
This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.“
What happened to anti-war Dems?
Anonymous
08/08/2025 20:39
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Why would Europe and Ukraine agree to this?
Anonymous
08/08/2025 20:31
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is a sorry A*S clown.
Sure dude. Trump is meeting with Putin one on one. Trump is going to give away the store while Putin has his way with him. Trump will then thank Putin.
Anonymous
08/08/2025 18:47
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Now Trump will hand deliver Alaska to Putin.
Anonymous
08/08/2025 18:08
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Zelensky is a sorry A*S clown.
Anonymous
08/08/2025 11:54
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Ukraine getting bufu’d
Anonymous
08/08/2025 11:35
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ukraine has the population, will, and backing to win.
It has also proven it can outlast and outfight the RA.
Russia’s losses are unsustainable, while Ukraine’s are not. I am not just referring to equipment (although Russia cannot replace its lost tanks/planes missiles, while Ukraine’s supplies of tanks / IVFs etc. increase daily ).
As to combat losses of soldiers, WW1 France is a good analogy.
France 1914: pop 39.6M. KIA over 4.3 years: 1.4M, or about 320,500 per year every year. Total % of male population per year, all ages :1.6%
Ukraine 2022: pop 43.8M. KIA over 1 year: 50K? 75K? Official figures are not released. Total of male population per year, all ages: to 0.22% to 0.34%.
Ukraine is taking essentially 1/5th to 1/7th the casualty rate that France took every year for 4.3 years, and at the end of that 4.3 years the French Army was objectively stronger than it was in 1914 thanks to added capabilities and tactics.
It is also relevant the French were fighting against being subjugated, while the Ukrainians are fighting against being exterminated.
There are plenty of ground-level interviews that show the average Ukrainian knows the stakes. Ukraine will fight on because they must. Study the military history of Israel for comparison, where an objectively smaller, less-equipped military nevertheless prevailed over much larger forces and against all odds.
Having studied Russia’s repeated, overt, statements of their genocidal intentions toward Ukraine, this isn’t just rhetoric. Russia absolutely will murder millions of Ukrainians if they win. They’ve done it before and they say they will do it again (and that is not even considering their intended cultural genocide, which is currently underway in some Oblasts).
Ukraine can suffer these losses far longer than Russia can keep throwing mobiks at them.
It is not that Russia will run out of mobiks, but rather, Russia is losing because of poor and deteriorating morale, broken, antiquated logistics, lack of training, crippling economic sanctions, and domestic production issues. Russia can’t possibly solve these critical issues in the necessary timeframe.
Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.
Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.
The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely.
except when the US president sells out its allies
US AND RUSSIA PLAN TRUCE DEAL TO CEMENT PUTIN'S GAINS IN UKRAINE -- BLOOMBERG NEWS
DP Putin can not stop this war. If the war stops Putin has serious problems. Oh and there will be no truce. Ukraine and the EU are the main players. The US has become a bystander in this conflict.
Anonymous
08/08/2025 11:30
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine has the population, will, and backing to win.
It has also proven it can outlast and outfight the RA.
Russia’s losses are unsustainable, while Ukraine’s are not. I am not just referring to equipment (although Russia cannot replace its lost tanks/planes missiles, while Ukraine’s supplies of tanks / IVFs etc. increase daily ).
As to combat losses of soldiers, WW1 France is a good analogy.
France 1914: pop 39.6M. KIA over 4.3 years: 1.4M, or about 320,500 per year every year. Total % of male population per year, all ages :1.6%
Ukraine 2022: pop 43.8M. KIA over 1 year: 50K? 75K? Official figures are not released. Total of male population per year, all ages: to 0.22% to 0.34%.
Ukraine is taking essentially 1/5th to 1/7th the casualty rate that France took every year for 4.3 years, and at the end of that 4.3 years the French Army was objectively stronger than it was in 1914 thanks to added capabilities and tactics.
It is also relevant the French were fighting against being subjugated, while the Ukrainians are fighting against being exterminated.
There are plenty of ground-level interviews that show the average Ukrainian knows the stakes. Ukraine will fight on because they must. Study the military history of Israel for comparison, where an objectively smaller, less-equipped military nevertheless prevailed over much larger forces and against all odds.
Having studied Russia’s repeated, overt, statements of their genocidal intentions toward Ukraine, this isn’t just rhetoric. Russia absolutely will murder millions of Ukrainians if they win. They’ve done it before and they say they will do it again (and that is not even considering their intended cultural genocide, which is currently underway in some Oblasts).
Ukraine can suffer these losses far longer than Russia can keep throwing mobiks at them.
It is not that Russia will run out of mobiks, but rather, Russia is losing because of poor and deteriorating morale, broken, antiquated logistics, lack of training, crippling economic sanctions, and domestic production issues. Russia can’t possibly solve these critical issues in the necessary timeframe.
Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.
Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.
The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely.
except when the US president sells out its allies
US AND RUSSIA PLAN TRUCE DEAL TO CEMENT PUTIN'S GAINS IN UKRAINE -- BLOOMBERG NEWS
Anonymous
08/06/2025 10:48
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
So Ukraine stole the plans for Russia’s newest nuclear submarine.
“ Kyiv announced it has stolen combat instructions and technical diagrams off the Knyaz Pozharsky, threatening the Kremlin’s strategic position in the region
Ukraine claims to have pulled off a major hacking operation, obtaining classified data on a new Russian nuclear submarine and revealing potential vulnerabilities as Moscow intensifies its military presence in the Arctic.
Beginning service in late July, the Knyaz Pozharsky is a state-of-the-art nuclear submarine — a key element of Moscow’s nuclear triad. It is permanently based in Gadzhiyevo, Murmansk Oblast, and part of Russia’s Northern Fleet.
The hack potentially exposes the limitations of not only this submarine but the entire Borei class fleet, which underpins Russia’s strategic position in the Arctic.“
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-hacks-russian-submarine-as-moscow-expands-arctic-presence-2tmwc8dn5
Wonder if Russia will be able to build this sub? They are running out of money.
“ Kyiv announced it has stolen combat instructions and technical diagrams off the Knyaz Pozharsky, threatening the Kremlin’s strategic position in the region
Ukraine claims to have pulled off a major hacking operation, obtaining classified data on a new Russian nuclear submarine and revealing potential vulnerabilities as Moscow intensifies its military presence in the Arctic.
Beginning service in late July, the Knyaz Pozharsky is a state-of-the-art nuclear submarine — a key element of Moscow’s nuclear triad. It is permanently based in Gadzhiyevo, Murmansk Oblast, and part of Russia’s Northern Fleet.
The hack potentially exposes the limitations of not only this submarine but the entire Borei class fleet, which underpins Russia’s strategic position in the Arctic.“
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-hacks-russian-submarine-as-moscow-expands-arctic-presence-2tmwc8dn5
Wonder if Russia will be able to build this sub? They are running out of money.
Anonymous
08/06/2025 10:40
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How is that inevitable victory coming along?
How is Putin’s “3 day war” (sorry; “special military operation” lol), coming along?
Pretty good given you guys keep repeating this talking point every time a new city falls.
But being real, Russia did defeat Ukraine in 3 days, then NATO tagged in and we're on slow-burn to WW3.
Nobody wants that except a small cabal of, let's call them neocons for now, who also seem to have their hands full with other crisis. So this is their last shot at some global conflagration that they've been dreaming about.
By "new city falling" you mean some collection of 3 farmers houses. Russia still controls less than 20% of Ukraine, and it has been at a staggering cost of almost 100 Russian casualties per square kilometer.
And you sound stupid pretending like Russia is directly fighting NATO in Ukraine. That's straight up Kremlin propaganda. Take a hike.
Anonymous
08/06/2025 09:46
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How is that inevitable victory coming along?
How is Putin’s “3 day war” (sorry; “special military operation” lol), coming along?
Pretty good given you guys keep repeating this talking point every time a new city falls.
But being real, Russia did defeat Ukraine in 3 days, then NATO tagged in and we're on slow-burn to WW3.
Nobody wants that except a small cabal of, let's call them neocons for now, who also seem to have their hands full with other crisis. So this is their last shot at some global conflagration that they've been dreaming about.
Anonymous
08/06/2025 09:05
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Is it inevitable yet?
Anonymous
08/06/2025 08:40
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How is that inevitable victory coming along?
Lmao. You think the delusional liars here are ever going to admit they were stupid to think Ukraine could win? They supported over a million lives being wasted so a russophobic NATO could slightly weaken Russia. Zero moral compass.
The fact that Kiev still stands is proof that Ukraine is winning.
What are we now, 884 days into Putin's 3 Day Special Military Operation?
That's a fail for Putin.
Indeed.
Anonymous
08/06/2025 08:40
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:How is that inevitable victory coming along?
How is Putin’s “3 day war” (sorry; “special military operation” lol), coming along?