Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:18
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.
Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.
This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.
The problem is the verdict is supposed to be unanimous. So basically the whole process is to get you to go against your conscience if you don't see the case the same way as your fellow jurors. I have been the lone holdout and it is VERY hard -- even for me, and I am a lawyer who can talk my way around anything, and I am extremely independent and stubborn. It was very, very stressful.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:18
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To play devil’s advocate, the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty in less than 4 hours of deliberation. This was nine hours
The defense in that case did a MUCH better job of identifying reasonable doubt, because there actually was some doubt. In this case? How?
I sat on a jury years ago, and knowing that it has to be unanimous, given the evidence we saw I find it virtually impossible to believe that ALL the jurors would vote not guilty.
So this does argue in favor of a guilty verdict now. A split jury would have deliberated longer. You think the only possible fast, unanimous verdict could be not guilty based on the evidence presented.
PP you're quoting, and yes. I don't think the defense had a strong enough case for the ENTIRE jury to buy reasonable doubt this quickly. The charges I was deliberating about were much less momentous, and we still deliberated for a few days. You need at least one juror with integrity for that to happen.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:18
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
You didn't watch the trial did you? Because that story doesn't match the facts.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:17
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
I don’t understand why they are delaying the announcement. Unless it’s an acquittal. God help us.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:16
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.
Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.
I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.
Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:16
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's gotta be a guilty verdict since they reached a fast verdict.
I hope there is peace in the streets.
why?
Why do I hope there is peace on the streets??
why are you so sure it’s guilty?
Conventional wisdom: fast means guilty.
I would bet $1000 it holds in this case.
Except see OJ, Rodney King, Casey Anthony ...
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:15
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To play devil’s advocate, the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty in less than 4 hours of deliberation. This was nine hours
The defense in that case did a MUCH better job of identifying reasonable doubt, because there actually was some doubt. In this case? How?
I sat on a jury years ago, and knowing that it has to be unanimous, given the evidence we saw I find it virtually impossible to believe that ALL the jurors would vote not guilty.
So this does argue in favor of a guilty verdict now. A split jury would have deliberated longer. You think the only possible fast, unanimous verdict could be not guilty based on the evidence presented.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:15
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To play devil’s advocate, the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty in less than 4 hours of deliberation. This was nine hours
They only deliberated 6 hours to reach the not guilty verdict after the Rodney King beating.
And Casey Anthony was acquitted after 10 hours, so about the same time
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:15
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's gotta be a guilty verdict since they reached a fast verdict.
I hope there is peace in the streets.
why?
Why do I hope there is peace on the streets??
why are you so sure it’s guilty?
Conventional wisdom: fast means guilty.
I would bet $1000 it holds in this case.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:15
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.
Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.
I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:15
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To play devil’s advocate, the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty in less than 4 hours of deliberation. This was nine hours
They only deliberated 6 hours to reach the not guilty verdict after the Rodney King beating.
Wrong. They deliberated for 7 days. https://apnews.com/article/fa4d04d8281443fc8db0e27d6be52081
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:14
Subject: Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is 0 reason to release it just before nightfall UNLESS you want riots to happen. Why not in the daylight?
Holding it off will also set people off. There's so much tension that it doesn't matter much when you do it.
I live in Minneapolis. They will be reading it before 4:30pm and it gets dark much later than that. Pray for our city. Hoping justice prevails for George.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:14
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.
Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.
This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:12
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.
Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 16:12
Subject: Re:Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.
Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.
^^definitely likely scenario.
I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.