Anonymous wrote:

You are insane. Please just stop. Trump has obviously abused his authority, and our system isn't perfect (pardons....wtf). But we should have a new prez soon, and you can maybe go start a hobby or two.

When there is no election security and the GOP continues to thwart reforms in time for the 2020 election, how do you suggest there will be a new "prez" soon?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

DP...not hyperbolic. The senate is now a rubber stamp for Trump. He has reshaped the courts and he has gutted justice. The wheels of justice now work to protect the likes of Flynn, Stone and Prince.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

He’s appointed a lot of unqualified people to the bench. Note: we have federal courts across the land...it’s not just the Supreme Court, Dave.

We have NO system of checks and balances. None. The foundation of our democracy simply doesn’t exist. The president can do whatever he wants, and nobody can do anything about it. This is scary. Ask anyone from Africa, South America, or Asia how damaging a dictatorship is—noting it starts with tossing the rule of law out the window.

Exactly.

IF we recover it will take decades to undo the damage to the justice system.

And PP is correct: UNQUALIFIED
https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/webratingchart-trump116.pdf

I think there is a great deal of misunderstanding about sentencing recommendations.

First, average sentences do not matter, especially on the state level, because sentencing is completely different on the federal level. You can not compare the two, and you cannot compare average sentences (which may only look at time served) to recommended sentencing guidelines and enhancements.

Second, it is not at all uncommon for the government to recommend enhancements for failure to accept responsibility, witness tampering, etc. If they did not do that, it would be unusual. Sentencing recommendations are mostly a mathematical equation, with the primary decision being which enhancements or credit to apply.

Sentencing guidelines can result in high sentences. I was involved in one case where the government recommended over two hundred years under the sentencing guidelines. The judge sentenced him to 35 years. The government avoids deviating from the sentencing guidelines unless there’s a very specific reason for doing so. Often they would leave the decision to further deviate to the judge.

Finally, for individuals as high profile as Roger Stone, there is no way that the US attorney or department heads at the DOJ did not see the actual sentencing recommendation ahead of time. If they did not asked to see the sentencing memo ahead of time, that was a complete failure on their part

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

He’s appointed a lot of unqualified people to the bench. Note: we have federal courts across the land...it’s not just the Supreme Court, Dave.

We have NO system of checks and balances. None. The foundation of our democracy simply doesn’t exist. The president can do whatever he wants, and nobody can do anything about it. This is scary. Ask anyone from Africa, South America, or Asia how damaging a dictatorship is—noting it starts with tossing the rule of law out the window.

I agree with pp. You are hyperbolic.
You believe that people who believe in upholding the Constitution and not promoting agendas are "unqualified." LOL.
We still have a system of checks and balances. You just think that ANYTHING Trump does needs to be "checked." It doesn't work like that.

Did you know that when Clinton took office, he fired like 93 US attorneys? Were you outraged then?

What, specifically, has he done that comes even close to a dictatorship?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

He’s appointed a lot of unqualified people to the bench. Note: we have federal courts across the land...it’s not just the Supreme Court, Dave.

We have NO system of checks and balances. None. The foundation of our democracy simply doesn’t exist. The president can do whatever he wants, and nobody can do anything about it. This is scary. Ask anyone from Africa, South America, or Asia how damaging a dictatorship is—noting it starts with tossing the rule of law out the window.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

DP. In the long run we could recover, but some of things he’s done, like appointing unqualified activist judges and forcing out career civil servants, will take not just years but decades to correct. And that’s assume the Republicans don’t get back into power after Trump to keep forcing us down Trump’s path.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Hyperbolic much?

Yeah, Cadet Bonespur is a clown and very unethical, but its nothing that we cant recover from.

Anonymous wrote: Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Wake up!

There is no Rule of Law under Trump! Ethical lawyers have been jumping ship at DoJ for a long time, and he prioritized stacking the bench with conservatives.

Like Maher has been saying: Trump operates like a dictator.

BTW: America has no system of checks and balances. We have a dangerously unethical dictator, and apparently there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Where’s the outrage? Oh, it’s in the other thread where woke liberals are perseverating over Bloomberg’s comments from several years ago. But nobody is concerned that Trump has succeeded at changing the very fabric of our democracy. SMDH.

Anonymous wrote:This is so very scary. Why aren't people more alarmed???

I am and I'm disappointed today's developments don't rate their own thread. Prosecutors ask for extreme amounts of time and the judge can easily choose to give a lighter sentence. It's obvious Trump has no idea how the justice system works.

Now he's threatening the judge. They cancelled Flynn's upcoming sentencing today. It was scheduled for February 28, IIRC. I think the sentencing for both should be postponed until after January 21, 2021. The stress for both Flynn and Stone is part of the punishment. Having it hang over their heads. Everyone knows as soon as they are sentenced Trump will pardon them both.

This is so very scary. Why aren't people more alarmed???

Trump is interfering for Stone and Manafort, the two top witnesses who went to jail rather than tell what they know about Trump, Russia, and Wikileaks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average time served in prison for Rape in this country - 4 years.

Average time served in prison for Robbery in this country - 3 years.

Recommended time for Stone to serve in prison for a process crime - 9 years.

Yeah, we know you all think that all white collar crime is OK.

Tell that to an elementary school classmate of mine who is in jail for 20 years for a bank ponzi scheme.

Tell that to Bernie Maddoff (who is the cell mate of my elementary school classmate in North Carolina).

Tell that to the father of my sons friend who is in jail for 25 years for a house flipping scheme.

Not saying Stone should be pardoned FWIW rather 9 years is excessive for a process crime.

Process crime? Stone was convicted of SEVEN counts of perjury and obstruction of justice.

And what was he covering up and obstructing? An investigation into Trump's campaign and Russian interference.

So Trump is interfering in the sentencing of his campaign advisor who obstructed an investigation into his own campaign.

That sounds pretty darn corrupt to me.

Trump unloading on Judge Berman now. A sad day for democracy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average time served in prison for Rape in this country - 4 years.

Average time served in prison for Robbery in this country - 3 years.

Recommended time for Stone to serve in prison for a process crime - 9 years.

Yeah, we know you all think that all white collar crime is OK.

Tell that to an elementary school classmate of mine who is in jail for 20 years for a bank ponzi scheme.

Tell that to Bernie Maddoff (who is the cell mate of my elementary school classmate in North Carolina).

Tell that to the father of my sons friend who is in jail for 25 years for a house flipping scheme.

Not saying Stone should be pardoned FWIW rather 9 years is excessive for a process crime.

Lying, witness tampering and concealing evidence are ho hum, I guess. "Just process crimes"...