21:32 here. Back to the Duggars:

I am a little curious how they will explain the quick exit of the TV crew to the youngest ones. The ones who have grown up so far with the TV crew around.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, learn to read. The poster had a link with a definition of rape included. That was a definition from the FBI, NOT the poster you keep saying is trying "redefine" the word.

If he did indeed insert his fingers into them, then, yes, it was rape...according to the FBI. Not just some internet loon.

The problem is I think the PP who keeps making light of rape and splitting hairs on semantics is an internet loon.

"She was in a short skirt, she asked for it" "We were out on a date, she owed me" "We are married, so it isn't rape."

I'm not making light of anything. I've been the victim of sexual assault before. I think it does a huge disservice to actual victims when you try to insert untrue facts and definitions for embellishment. There was no rape. Stop making stuff up. It makes you look overly dramatic and not in touch with reality.

Actual victims, eh?

Rape culture at its finest.

Yes, actual rape victims. Breast touching is not rape. Vulva touching is not rape. Ass grabbing is not rape.

This makes me sad.

Why does a distinction make you sad? I've been raped, and it isn't the same as being fondled. I find it incredibly offensive that you insist on lumping them together.

I've been fondled and raped. Different times in my life. They do not compare.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/


This is a great article.

Have you read this thread? Posters are horrified, and feel awful for the victims, and to some extent, Josh also, for their environment.

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This is a great article.

Oh, poor Josh! Molesting his siblings (and apparently at least one other non-family female), making incest jokes as an adult, and being burned at the stake! Poor, poor Joshie Duggar!

Give me a fucking break.

This first broke when the Holts found out about him acting inappropriately with their daughter while they were engaged. The Duggars were trying to marry him off young and at the time Holt was a fellow politician of JimBob. This is when they finally had to go to the police and where the term "sin in the camp" comes from. Shes the non family female.

***THIS IS PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART***

This was on the behind the scenes with the crew that just recently aired. Scott the main producer is married to another crew member and when the Duggars were in china, his wife went into labor and Jill and Jana helped to deliver the baby. Then we are told that Jill and Jana had not seen this child since the birth (I believe she is now three or four) and they brought her in to surprise them.

Earlier both Scott and his wife were talking about how much time they spend with the Duggars and how they basically live there yet their daughter has never ever been around?

I think TLC and the producers knew exactly what type of family the Duggars are all along.

I feel a lot of anger directed at the Duggars for continuing to have 5! more children after this scandal came to light. Clearly, there were not able to properly care for and supervise the children they did have and yet they continued (and by all accounts are still continuing to try) to have more children! Their "buddy" system is just a way of farming out parenting responsibilities to their older children. I have a hard time believing that there is zero risk of this happening again in this family. There are still a lot of little girls. Who will make sure that they are safe?

It is developmentally appropriate for teenagers to develop crushes on other teenagers and have young love relationships with others where they hug, kiss and hold hands. Josh's behavior is so extreme that chances are it might have happened any way, but part of me wants to believe that had he been allowed to be around other girls and have normal interactions with them, this situation might not have occurred.

For the sake of his children, Josh needs outgoing, intensive professional therapy. I hope his wife wakes up and realizes that protecting her children is more important than serving her husband. I am mostly thinking of the girls and I hope that they can get therapy, real therapy, for this so that they can really, really understand that this was not their fault.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/


This is a great article.

Oh, poor Josh! Molesting his siblings (and apparently at least one other non-family female), making incest jokes as an adult, and being burned at the stake! Poor, poor Joshie Duggar!

Give me a fucking break.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/


This is a great article.

I hate that I just gave that website a view.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/


This is a great article.

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Why wasn't this ever picked up by Oprah? If she and the show were informed, why did they back off? Was there a show taped where questions were asked of the family?

Yes. Oprah found out some information and contacted the authorities in Arkansas. At that point, the statute of limitations had run. Oprah could have publicized what she knew, but instead respected the privacy of the victims.

Anonymous wrote:SOrry if this is on page 34 or something...

Why wasn't this ever picked up by Oprah? If she and the show were informed, why did they back off? Was there a show taped where questions were asked of the family?

I believe the show never aired. At that time (2006 I believe), the Oprah show contacted authorities to investigate. The statue of limitations had just expired, and Jim Bob refused to allow police or anyone to interview Josh. So the issue was never pursued, because nothing could be done anyway.

There were rumors for years, since then. But the police report had never been made public until requested via the FOIA.

SOrry if this is on page 34 or something...

Why wasn't this ever picked up by Oprah? If she and the show were informed, why did they back off? Was there a show taped where questions were asked of the family?

Ugh, back when I used to watch the show, I remembered this line.

Given what's come to light now, it's especially sickening that Josh made an incest joke.

He's a grade A scumbag, through and through. Was a scumbag when a teenager, and also as an adult making such a joke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3095157/Josh-Duggar-incest-joke-siblings-family-s-TLC-show.html

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Anonymous wrote:Not the pp you are talking to, BUUUUUTTTT, guess what???? YOU don't get to dictate who posts on this thread and what they want to discuss! Anyone can talk about the duggars, and sorry to tell you, not everyone is going to post stuff that you want to read! Oh well! Some of us think the duggars are good people and if you don't like it, you can GET OVER IT!

And you seem to think that because you get to talk that what you says is worth listening to.

And the same could be said about you! Let me ask you something. Did you used to watch the duggars tv show when it was on tlc? And if so why did you watch it?

NP but let me answer your question..s?

Did you used to watch the duggars tv show when it was on tlc? Yes

And if so why did you watch it? Yes

Yes isn't an answer to a why question. So what reason did you watch the show for? What was your opinion of the duggars?

NP: at first I found it interesting, then it became a trainwreck, then it became supplemental to reading about the behind the scenes on freejinger and twop

If you think the duggars are a train wreck, why would you spend so much time watching their show and reading websites about them? I'm trying to understand this mindset. I watched the show when I had cable, but I watched it because I thought they were a great family. I was entertained by them, but not because of anything negative. I just find it so odd that there are so many people who hate them, but they are spending so much time watching, reading and posting negative stuff about them. It's weird to me.

Because it is entertaining. Which is what TV is for.

I know that, i watched the duggars for entertainment too. But what I'm asking is why would you read, watch and posting negative stuff about people that you hate? When I was young I used to watch the real world on mtv, well lots of shows on mtv, but as I got older, I realized that the shows were a train wreck and I disagreed with a lot of the stuff they were showing, so I stopped watching it and found other things to watch. I can't imagine comtinuing to watch some show that was so against what I thought was right, and then spend more time reading about it online, and then participating in conversations to discuss how much I cant stand the people on the show. Seems like the only thing that would accomplish is to bring a bunch of negativity into my life.

I watched the real housewives of Orange county before, and also thought of it as a bit of a train wreck, so I didn't continue to watch. I can't imagine thinking it's fun to spend time watching people that I don't like on tv, that doesn't seem like real entertainment to me.

Because it is entertaining. Which is what the internet can be used for.